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  •  Tip Jar (5+ / 0-)

    Editor, Daily Kos Elections

    by James L on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:37:33 PM PST

  •  All #NVLeg, all the time. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's that time of the biennium again.

  •  As Peter Griffin said (4+ / 0-)
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    the gayest music video of all time

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    by JDJase on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:42:50 PM PST

  •  As a moderate in Texas, I'll be curious to see (4+ / 0-)
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    If the Democratic party tries to make inroads in red counties.  There are alot of democrats in Texas, but they are mostly urban or from the valley; they no longer try very hard to compete in rural or suburban areas, which tends to make the Democratic party in Texas more liberal that in should be.   The statewide democratic candidates are often poor choices as they only have experience in dark blue areas. (governor, senate, lt gov, etc. )

    Just my 2 cents.

  •  Some great music: (3+ / 0-)
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    "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

    by KingofSpades on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:55:57 PM PST

  •  None (3+ / 0-)
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    one candidate has filed to run for governor (a Republican rancher from Sherman County in Eastern Oregon), a some dude, a few incumbents have filed for re-election in the state legislature.  Nothing big happening.

    I'm focused on studying for my Criminal Procedure midterm in a couple weeks, getting started on my appellate brief, and applying for work for the summer.

    ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

    by James Allen on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 02:58:29 PM PST

    •  Good luck! (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm jealous you actually get to have a midterm.

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      by JDJase on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:59:11 PM PST

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      •  Why would you be? (1+ / 0-)
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        •  Most law school classes... (9+ / 0-)

          have a single high-stakes final, with almost no feedback along the way, i.e., little opportunity to know how well you're "getting it."

          A midterm is helpful in that it's a rare opportunity to actually get concrete feedback.

          Editor, Daily Kos Elections. IL-07.

          by jeffmd on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 07:29:31 PM PST

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          •  Ah, I see (1+ / 0-)
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            So law school functions on the Oxford-Cambridge system. Is attendance and recitations optional?

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            by MichaelNY on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 07:34:18 PM PST

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            •  I would say... (6+ / 0-)

              it's more "Socratic method" than Oxbridge.

              Though as a disclaimer, I am bluffing about my knowledge of law school... which mostly comes from The Paper Chase, One L, and well, yes, Legally Blonde.

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              by jeffmd on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 07:59:41 PM PST

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              •  You're pretty much right on the money (2+ / 0-)
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                A mid-term in some of my law school classes, though it undoubtedly would've been stressful, would've been welcome just for the feedback alone. But alas, every single non-seminar class (seminar: where you write a paper instead of taking an exam) rested on the single, high-stakes, curve-graded final.

                •  I don't believe in curving (1+ / 0-)
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                  and have never curved grades in my life.

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                  by MichaelNY on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:27:56 AM PST

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                  •  I always curved (1+ / 0-)
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                    I wasn't able to fine-tune the tests I gave such that 90% (or some other set %) always represents what I see as an A level performance, 80% a B performance, etc. In every single class I taught, the average grade ended up around a B-.

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                    by sacman701 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:02:21 AM PST

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                  •  You're a professor? (0+ / 0-)

                    What do you teach?

                    And it depends on what kind of class you're teaching and how difficult the material is.

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                    by ArkDem14 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:21:14 PM PST

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                    •  I believe he teaches music. (2+ / 0-)
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                      •  I know my basics in music (1+ / 0-)
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                        from a theory class last semester, but not a whole lot. I want to learn to play piano, haha.

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                        by ArkDem14 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:06:46 PM PST

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                      •  Correct (1+ / 0-)
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                        But it wouldn't matter. I think setting up a curve in advance is immoral and would never do it on my own accord. Cutting the whole class a break after the fact is something else, and it can be tolerated in certain circumstances.

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                        by MichaelNY on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:55:15 PM PST

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                        •  the curve is (0+ / 0-)

                          school-wide here, I believe it is mandated.

                          ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                          by James Allen on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:20:50 AM PST

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                        •  I think it depends of the teacher and the subject (2+ / 0-)
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                          Fro instance I had an O-Chem teacher who had set curves:
                          80-100% A
                          60-79%   B
                          40-59%   C

                          At first glance I thought the class wouldn't be too hard, that was until I got my first midterm, The average was a very low 36% (meaning over half the class failed) I had managed to do 20 points better getting a 56% but the teacher refused to change her curve so I ended up C for that midterm!

                          In fact, the occasional victory for the GOP cannot hide the fact that this country is fast heading into another era, not of two-party democracy, but a party-and-a-half system. And the GOP is the half a party- Larry Sabato

                          by lordpet8 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:29:29 AM PST

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                          •  Possibly a teaching failure (0+ / 0-)

                            I design my tests so that someone who attended class, paid attention, did readings, and at least thought about the subject matter somewhat has a good chance to get 85 or higher. That doesn't make my tests a cinch: They typically combine listening-identification and essays, except for music theory, which has a fairly steep learning curve.

                            I realize certain classes have somewhat inflexible requirements. At the school I teach it, it's very common for students to flunk math courses, sometimes more than once, because the tests are very hard and apparently need to be for engineering majors. I wonder how well the subject matter is taught, but I have no personal expertise on either math or the work the math professors do at my school.

                            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                            by MichaelNY on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:33:33 PM PST

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                        •  I think that most law schools grade on a curve (3+ / 0-)

                          due to the way professors grade.  For example, most of my law school exams were only 3 or 4 questions, and you had 3 hours (which was rarely enough time) to do them.  The professors then grade your essays point by point as if you were actually a lawyer who had weeks to work on that question with all the research available to you.  And of course, with zero resources available to you and only a small amount of time, it's very difficult to hit every point the professor would grade on, and therefore the raw scores are very low and need to be curved.

                          Now, that being said, I actually tend to agree with you that curves are immoral, but in other areas.  When it's left up to the professor, or department, or college (particularly undergraduate), that leads to inflated grades that can be unfair to students who were in non-curved courses.  But I don't see it as immoral in law school because every law school does it, and every potential employer KNOWS that the grades are curved.

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                          by JDJase on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:48:49 AM PST

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            •  well in one of my classes last term (3+ / 0-)
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              I was allowed up to 10 absences.  In another, 2.  I have to perform in each at different times under different circumstances.  In Property I expect to be called on once a week.  In Contracts only once or twice a semester.  Those are times when I'm called on without notice.  In Criminal and Civil Procedure, perhaps 2 or 3 times a semester, essentially on scheduled days or with notice.  In my writing class we are preparing for oral arguments in April.

              ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

              by James Allen on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 10:06:02 PM PST

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      •  I'm very glad (4+ / 0-)
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        particularly because it's a class I'm interested in.  Plus I love my professor.

        ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

        by James Allen on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 10:03:02 PM PST

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        •  I actually really loved (1+ / 0-)
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          Criminal Procedure, even tho I didn't have any interest, and today don't practice anything remotely close to criminal law, I really enjoyed that course as well.  Maybe it was just because the cases were the most interesting because of all the dumb shit people do.  None of those boring "was it a contract" cases lol

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          by JDJase on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:32:12 PM PST

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  •  Music contribution (3+ / 0-)
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    26, Male, CA-26, DK Elections Black Caucus Chair.

    by DrPhillips on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:06:28 PM PST

  •  MI-Gov (11+ / 0-)

    Earlier today, I saw a tweet from Bill Ballenger (Inside Michigan Politics) that said he did a poll of the governors race.  I haven't seen an article regarding the poll but the tweet said Stabenow and Schauer both lead Snyder.

    https://twitter.com/...

    I'm not sure why he included Stabenow.  I can't see her leaving the senate to be governor.  

  •  On a non political note (7+ / 0-)

    I hope anyone in the path of blizzard is taking precautions and staying safe this weekend.

    •  It's been raining, sleeting, and now snowing here (2+ / 0-)
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      the storm comes later tonight and we get the southern edge of it

      "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

      by KingofSpades on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:23:54 PM PST

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  •  NJ-Gov: Nevada is trying... (3+ / 0-)
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    To jump ahead of New Jersey in approving online gaming.

    Gov. Brian Sandoval and Assembly Majority Leader William Horne are pushing forward to pass an online gaming law within the next 30 days.

    Sandoval said in a statement this morning that Nevada is now in a “critical” race with New Jersey to pass an online gaming bill into law.

    New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie vetoed an online gaming bill yesterday, but said he would sign it into law if the New Jersey Legislature made several changes to it first. [...]

    Sandoval had said earlier this week that he wants the Legislature to pass a bill within 30 days, but said the developments in New Jersey and Horne’s willingness to push the bill add new urgency to the matter.

    Horne, a Democrat, said he’s directed legislative staff to prioritize his online gaming bill in hopes that it will sail through the Assembly and Senate and end up on Sandoval’s desk before Christie signs an online gaming bill into law in New Jersey.

    “Online gaming is a creature that is out of the bottle, and Nevada needs to be first,” Horne said. “The world looks to Nevada for gaming regulation.”

    The bill, he said, would have two major components: removing state statutes requiring Nevada to wait for Congress to pass online gaming legislation and enabling Nevada to enter into mutually beneficial compacts with other states that pass bills to legalize online gaming.

    Question for Jersey Swingnuts: Why did Christie veto the NJ online gaming bill? Considering how the gaming giants (chiefly MGM & Caesars) are chomping at the bit to cash in on the online gaming market, I'd figure they'd be applying as much pressure to get it done there as they are here. I thought the casinos had a good relationship with Chris Christie.
    •  "conditionally vetoed", basically he approved it (3+ / 0-)
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      A conditional veto sends the bill back to the leg, in this case with two requirement or demands or whatever you want to call them.  Christie's requirements are minor, basically just raising the tax rate on the companies from 10% to 15%, and everyone has no problem with that.

      The leg will pass the bill again with the minor changes in the next couple weeks, then Christie will sign it.

      So the word "veto" is very deceptive.  Basically he committed to signing the bill when it is past again with the 15% rate.

      Nevada already has approved online poker.  I presume the bill being talked about is for other casino games.  Plus the key new element of allowing Nevada to pool players with New Jersey or any other states that also agree to pool players.

      The Jersey bill passed overwhelmingly.  Christie's approval is a no brainer.

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      by tommypaine on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 07:42:56 PM PST

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  •  Paul Broun (14+ / 0-)

    We know a lot about him, but how many of you knew he's on his fourth wife! Geez, Georgia Republicans.

    Slightly less exciting fact: His father was a Democratic State Senator all the way until 2001, representing Athens (so likely no conservaDem), and Broun was a Democrat until the 1980s.

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    by jncca on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:17:50 PM PST

  •  PA-Gov (5+ / 0-)
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    The twitter tells me that Allyson Schwartz is close to deciding to run for governor.

    Maybe Joe "Honey Badger" Sestak will run for her vacant house seat?

    http://www.snappac.org/ Students for a New American Politics!

    by redrelic17 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 05:14:59 PM PST

  •  Since its an open thread (4+ / 0-)
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    Has anyone thought about doing a weekly podcast that covers that weeks electoral news?  It seems like there are mountains of news every week, even right after an election, and sounds like an interesting venue for  DKE staff or community members to take up.

    Swingnut since 2009, 22, Male, Democrat, CA-49 (home) CA-12 (college)

    by Daman09 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 05:46:13 PM PST

  •  10 things to know about Sean Eldridge (4+ / 0-)
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    In fact, the occasional victory for the GOP cannot hide the fact that this country is fast heading into another era, not of two-party democracy, but a party-and-a-half system. And the GOP is the half a party- Larry Sabato

    by lordpet8 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 06:20:00 PM PST

  •  Obama to visit Asheville, Atlanta (4+ / 0-)
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    after the State of the Union.  He will make speeches about his agenda.  Good to see him coming down south, I was beginning to think he had shunned all the states that didn't vote for him. :)

    And while I was on the Asheville Citizen-Times website, I noticed this article about what North Carolina Republicans are making their priorities this year.  I wonder if Pat will talk about it in his State of the State this week?  Happy weekend.

  •  Speechwriter Jon Favreau (5+ / 0-)

    is leaving the White House this month. (This might be old news to folks, but I just discovered it while researching the SOTU.) Could be a significant loss. He's been a big part of Obama's "voice" through the presidency so far, and he wrote some pretty amazing stuff for the '08 election. Let's hope the transition goes smoothly.

    http://www.politico.com/...

  •  Ambassador to Canada (2+ / 0-)
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    The National Post each goes through a listing of some rumored names to be in the running for Ambassador to Canada:

    Caroline Kennedy
    Christine Gregoire
    Jennifer Granholm
    Brian Schweitzer
    Olympia Snowe
    Dave Bing

    http://news.nationalpost.com/...

    Also mentioned in other outlets:
    Susan Rice
    Michele Flournoy
    Maryscott Greenwood
    John Podesta
    Chuck Wald
    Anthony Foxx

  •  Special elections on my mind (4+ / 0-)
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    Minnesota has two special elections for house seats on Tuesday. I will be doing a diary about them tomorrow.

  •  Want to do a double-take? (4+ / 0-)
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    only Bayer can call their product Aspirin in Canada.

    In this country, I think they lost it around about the same time they lost Heroin.

    Ok, so I read the polls.

    by andgarden on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 08:53:12 PM PST

  •  Steve Israel must be pinching himself (15+ / 0-)

    Obama to Help House Democrats Recruit Candidates

    But Obama’s agreement to help DCCC Chairman Steve Israel of New York make the sell to would-be candidates in targeted districts is also significant.

    “It’s transformational,” Israel said in an interview, adding that House Democrats are “firing on all cylinders like I’ve never seen before.”

    The president’s efforts to assist House Democrats politically are more than Israel initially even asked for.

    Plus the report that Obama'll do at least 14 fund-raising events in 2013.
     NYT link

    Seems to be a new attitude at the WH nowadays.

    •  Get Brendan Mullen on the phone, Mr. President! (2+ / 0-)
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      Stat!

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      by HoosierD42 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:19:24 AM PST

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    •  This is also a shot across the bow... (6+ / 0-)
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      Of those more moderates in the targeted districts.  Those 25 seats that the Dems will target again - the blue, purple or tilt red ones that those Republicans are on notice and will either have to moderate their votes hard knowing they'll have an A-List challenger with money to burn - so they keep playing teabagger games in the House, voting along with Boehner to appease the teabaggers, that they'll have to answer for those votes in 2014 in a major way.  

      Pres Obama has ran his last race, but winning back the House would be HUGE for his legacy.  And given the very tough Senate cycle we're almost sure to lose some seats, so Pres Obama knows that Dems will need to make gains in the House to offset the Senate seat losses so the GOP can't push a "shellacking" meme and dig in for his last two years.  

      I could see Pres Obama using OFA in a major way for these midterms - they could try and run a Presidential campaign for the midterms almost - but more targeted as they can ignore the safe seats and put a full court press on the 50 seats really in play (at risk on both sides).  

      So Dems will have OFA fundraising but the GOP will not have the Romney team fundraising fundraiing to counter balance.  Sure the GOP will have it's SuperPAC's but they tend to be more far right, will be saving their money for 2016 Presidential and many(at least those industries who like to play both sides and hedge to back the winner)  will not want to be seen stepping up to take on the President in certain districts knowing that he's still President for two more years and untouchable to them.    

      Also this will help in Gov races, as if OFA is active in 2-3 House races in Ohio, Florida, PA or Michigan it will increase turn out in those races, and increase midterm turnout probably across the board for Dems.  

      This is a HUGE powerplay by the Obama Administration here.  The GOP will whine that the President shouldn't be so partisan and get involved with mid-terms, but when the GOP then wants to use those midterm results to claim the President no longer has a mandate and then want to push their radical agenda - he has no choice but to.  

      The potential 2016 candidates could start getting involved, but most won't be declared yet, and if some do - it could turn off supporters of other presidential candidates because it will look like there would be a quid pro quo happening where say Christie helps targeted Rep fundraise now, but then that rep will endorse/support Christie in the 2016 primary season over their favored candidate (say Marco Rubio).  So would these Rubio supporters then rather see that Christie supported Rep lose to limit Christie's power/make him look weak?

      Keystone XL Pipeline - Canada gets the money, Asia gets the oil, America gets the toxic refinery pollution and potential for a pipeline leak ecological disaster.

      by Jacoby Jonze on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:56:37 AM PST

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      •  I think Democrats should be able (1+ / 0-)
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        to keep the Senate losses down to two, in a neutralish cycle, which given the way the economy looks to be doing pretty well in projections over the next year or two, then the Republicans won't be able to talk about a shellshacking regardless.

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        by ArkDem14 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:32:52 PM PST

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  •  JJJ plea deal (1+ / 0-)
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    Jesse Jackson Jr. Said to Enter Plea

    I'm just curious, how you sign a plea deal when you haven't (yet) been charged or indicted for anything?
    Or maybe he was and I just missed that news.

  •  If Sandy "saved" Obama... (10+ / 0-)

    The nor'easter might make life easier for Markey.

    MA Senate GOP candidates are worried about the weather's effect in preventing them from collecting signatures within the short deadline:

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/...

    GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

    by LordMike on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 09:59:41 PM PST

  •  WI-Gov (1+ / 0-)
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    Tammy Baldwin featured a LaCrosse Tribune editorial which called for Walker to expand Medicaid in Wisconsin a couple of days ago on her campaign website, and, since Baldwin seems to be someone who is more interested in building a constituent service record as a U.S. Senator than pursuing other political ambitions, I'm wondering if Baldwin may be interested in hand-picking someone to run against Walker in 2014, and, if so, I'm wondering who Baldwin might try to pick...I'm guessing it would probably be either a state legislator from a AD/SD that overlaps WI-2, such as Jon Erpenbach, Fred Clark, Andy Jorgensen, or Melissa Sargent, or Dane County Executive Joe Parisi.

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    by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 11:15:27 PM PST

    •  Why do you think she would only be limited (5+ / 0-)

      to people from WI-02? Just because she was the congresswoman from there doesn't mean she was under a rock for 14 years, and didn't meet people in the other 7/8ths of the state. Also, I think she has attained her political ambitions for the time being by being elected senator.

      Parisi is about as exciting as the aforementioned rock.

      Sargent is way to inexperienced for governor right now. She could try for Miller's seat when he hangs it up.

      Erpenbach might run, but I think he'd be tainted still from leaving the state.

      Jorgenson's next likely move is to the senate when Cullen retires.

      Clark, I don't think, has any interest in moving up right now, although, I think I would support him in a primary if he did.

      I'd really like to see a businessperson run for the Dems. They could take Walker to task on his will-be broken 250,000-jobs-promise

      Farm boy, 20, who hit the city to go to college, WI-03 (home, voting), WI-02 (college), -6.75, -3.18, Coya shouldn't have been sent home.

      by WisJohn on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 11:36:11 PM PST

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      •  Deb Carey? (4+ / 0-)
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        I've heard one person vouch for her to run against Walker...she's the founder of the New Glarus Brewery, and, while I don't know how much her net worth is, she probably could self-fund to some degree if she did run for governor, as well as undercut Walker's "Wisconsin is open for business" message.

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        by DownstateDemocrat on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 12:04:08 AM PST

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      •  Steve Kagen? (1+ / 0-)
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        I believe he owns his own medical practice, and is quite wealthy.

        •  Was. (2+ / 0-)
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          Kagen was quite wealthy. (He may still be, but probably a fair bit less so.) There were reports last year that his wife wasn't happy about his spending a (large?) portion of their money on his failed reelection in 2010, and didn't want him running again.

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          by childers moof on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:02:04 AM PST

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          •  Probably why Kagen didn't run against Walker... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...in the recalls. He probably would have done so if it wasn't for his wife's concern that he might blow a bunch of money on a losing bid to oust Walker.

            Also, I've never liked Kagen because he made offensive remarks about Native Americans a number of years ago.

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            by DownstateDemocrat on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:25:33 PM PST

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            •  What did he say? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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              by MichaelNY on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:29:09 PM PST

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              •  Here's what Kagen said (2+ / 0-)
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                Back in 2006, Kagen said this at a campaign event in Green Bay after being late to an earlier campaign event on the Oneida reservation in Northeastern Wisconsin:

                Appreciate getting here almost on time. Our excuse in Oneida was, well, we're on Injun time. They don't tell time by the clock. Our excuse here is that I am a doctor and that we're never on time.
                Kagen later apologized, and the Oneida tribe accepted his apology.

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                by DownstateDemocrat on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:47:19 PM PST

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    •  Also, about Sargent. (4+ / 0-)

      She is not going to be a viable statewide candidate for a while. It took Tammy 20 years in the Assembly and Congress to get to be Senator. Did anyone see Tammy as a statewide candidate during her first year as an assemblywoman? Doubtful. Most people were probably surprised she got to the Assembly, being LGBT in 1992. Even Madison wasn't all that accepting back then.

      Feingold had been in the senate for 10 years before he was elected statewide.

      Tommy was in the Assembly for 20 years before he became gov.

      Jim Doyle had been AG for 12 years before he became gov.
      Kohl was rich, so he bought his way in to the US Senate. "Nobody's Senator but yours" was him saying, "I am so rich, I can't be bought by special interests."

      Johnson was a wealthy fluke, IMO.

      Farm boy, 20, who hit the city to go to college, WI-03 (home, voting), WI-02 (college), -6.75, -3.18, Coya shouldn't have been sent home.

      by WisJohn on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 11:57:55 PM PST

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      •  If Sargent ran statewide, the WI GOP... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...would probably try to game the Democratic primary for her. She's someone who is very palatable to the Democratic base in Wisconsin but not palatable at all to swing voters.

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        by DownstateDemocrat on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 12:29:50 AM PST

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    •  Baldwin has no authority to hand-pick anyone (7+ / 0-)

      She's not Harry Reid, she doesn't have that kind of juice, and even Reid doesn't really hand-pick whoever he wants......in this day and age, voters really do run the show.

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      by DCCyclone on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:02:57 AM PST

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      •  Actually, he often does. (3+ / 0-)
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        That's why the Nevada State Democratic Party is often referred to as "The Reid Machine".

        However, there have been recent challenges to his position. Most notably, his attempt to install State Senator Ruben Kihuen (D-Las Vegas) in NV-01 last year failed when Dina Titus decided to run there and scoop up the lion's share of grassroots support. Even in 2010, Rory went against Harry's advice not to run for Governor that year.

        So you do have a point in the Democratic base gaining more of a foothold in party power. But still, it will likely be a while before Harry Reid gives up his throne as "King of the Nevada Democrats".

        •  Quick question... (2+ / 0-)
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          Are there any potential "successors" to Reid's Senate seat? Anyone who looks like they could fill Reid's shoes if he decided to retire?

          Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

          by Gygaxian on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:04:49 AM PST

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          •  Yes, several... (3+ / 0-)
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            But unlike Cory Booker, they wouldn't dare try pushing Harry off the stage before he's good & ready (to retire, that is). If Harry decides to retire in 2016, AG Catherine Cortez Masto & SoS Ross Miller will be in front of the line. But if Harry runs for another term, Catherine & Ross will have to hope Dean Heller is (again) vulnerable in 2018. In turn, that may give a chance for rising stars, like Rep. Steven Horsford (D-North Las Vegas), State Senator Ruben Kihuen, and Assembly Members Lucy Flores (D-North Las Vegas) & Eliot Anderson (D-Paradise), a chance to become a US Senator in 2022.

        •  I was thinking of NV-01... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...when I wrote that.

          That Reid couldn't engineer that race was a sign of the times, to me.

          Didn't the same happen years ago when Jon Porter first won the open swing seat over what's-his-name?

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          by DCCyclone on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 06:35:03 AM PST

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  •  Since I'm a progressive toughing it out in Utah... (8+ / 0-)

    It's a little bit early, but I'm excited to see who challenges Teflon Jim Matheson in 2014. Will it be Mia Love again, one of our numerous far-right GOP legislators, will it be Aaron Osmond (seriously, we elected an Osmond to the state senate), will it be Josh Romney (who has expressed interest in challenging Matheson in the past), or will it be someone entirely new? I don't like Blue Dog Matheson, but its always fun to see him crush the hopes and dreams of Utah Republicans.

    Secondly, I'm interested in the fallout from the Swallow-Johnson scandal (short summary: Criminal businessman bribes the state AG, and the scandal keeps getting deeper and deeper). It won't result in an immediate election, but perhaps we might get a recall law passed. Swallow ain't getting re-elected next time.

    Lastly, I'm really excited in the Utah legislative session, even though it's not an election. It's much more exciting than you'd think, with open records laws being reformed, Utah GOPers debating whether to admit that climate change (and the bad air quality in Utah) is actually a problem, tax credits for hiring homeless people being debated, and the openly gay state Democratic chair (who is also now a state senator) trolling all the Republicans. Fun stuff.

    •  Well he's about as good as you can get (6+ / 0-)

      in a district that red. We should be thankful that the UT GOP was rather stingy and could have made his district even more Republican.

      Matheson still has quite a target on his back and he'll need to keep fighting the good fight to survive.

      You definitely should read this piece about his 2002 election, Republicans back then had thought they had drawn Matheson out but got too cocky and didn't spend enough money early on. Matheson came from behind and bested Swallow by a narrow 1,600 votes

      http://csed.byu.edu/...

      It starts on page 306

      In fact, the occasional victory for the GOP cannot hide the fact that this country is fast heading into another era, not of two-party democracy, but a party-and-a-half system. And the GOP is the half a party- Larry Sabato

      by lordpet8 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 11:44:28 PM PST

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      •  Good point, but (3+ / 0-)
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        I feel that the Utah Democratic Party relies on Matheson too much, and doesn't bother to build up any other candidate. Sure, he's the best we can get, but what happens if he loses despite Democratic efforts? He barely won last year, after all. What kind of Democratic bench have we cultivated (moderate/conservadem/whatever) besides him?

        The state party is not that good at recruiting strong candidates outside of Salt Lake City (where they have an advantage anyway); the only two I can think of are Ben McAdams (now Salt Lake County Mayor and ridiculously likeable, and also very progressive), and Luz Robles, a Salt Lake City state senator who is good at mobilizing Latino votes. We don't, for example, have a eye towards West Valley City, which has a huge minority population who could provide inspiring candidates, yet is still controlled by white Republicans.

        Good read though, thanks for sharing that.

        •  So who else is there? (4+ / 0-)

          Have you found any Dems who you think can run for Congress and/or statewide? The problem I see is that the Dem bench seems to be almost entirely concentrated in SLC, so it's mostly too far left to win statewide.

          And what kind of infrastructure does the Utah state party have? It seems like the party has dwindled down to just SLC progressives since Utah politics took a sharp right turn in the 1970s-80s. Does anyone seem interested in rebuilding the party like Harry Reid did here last decade (into a machine), or like progressive activists have been doing in California for the last 4 election cycles (into more of a grassroots network).

          •  Well, if Ben McAdams counts... (6+ / 0-)

            He's progressive, but an even better campaigner than Matheson; he won by ten points in the year of Romneygeddon. He's definitely a SLCer, but then again, he's a Salt Lake County-er, which means he can probably get a large portion of Salt Lake County on his side, which is half the population of the state. Also young, which means a defeat won't mean as much to him as it does to an older politician. The only problem I could see is that the County Mayorship holds a lot of power, and he may not want to give that up in favor of a perhaps fruitless Congressional (or even statewide) run.

            The only other non-Matheson candidate that I could see pulling a win off is the moderate Sam Granato, who performed as well as a Utah Democrat could in 2010, but who was a terrible campaigner. He's now a freshman member of the Salt Lake County Council, but he has a small following in the south of the state (if I recall correctly), due to his family business. Since he's a weak campaigner, he probably couldn't pull any kind of non-SLC win off, but he's the only other choice I can think of.

            The Utah state party basically has nothing outside of Salt Lake City and Park City, (and possibly West Valley City) and shows no signs of re-expanding, which is a shame. No infrastructure, no machine, no network, not even a good candidate recruitment system.

            The dominant trend here seems to be (again, promoted by the openly gay state chair) telling Mormons that it's okay to be a Democrat. Big push to promote the LDS Dem political group/caucus, and a respectable push by the LDS Church to insist that "policies compatible with Church principles can be found in both parties". I think it'll bear the most potential with the rising number of Utah Mormons who are members of minorities (Hispanic Mormons, for example).

            It's frustrating though, because the Utah Dems could easily build up a following among the sizable refugee population in Utah and Salt Lake Counties, but they don't seem to want to do that.

            Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

            by Gygaxian on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:11:48 PM PST

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            •  I didn't even know McAdams won the County Mayoral (3+ / 0-)
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              race until you said so, I assumed it was lost. That's amazing.

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              by HoosierD42 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:27:22 AM PST

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              •  Yeah McAdams won (4+ / 0-)
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                And easily at that. Probably ran the best campaign in the state. Very young-people and minority friendly while at the same time reassuring to Mormons of all ages. He had tons of billboards up everywhere with witty sayings like "Eagle Scout, not Eagle Forum", "Yeah, he's different", "Fiscal Conservative, Democrat.", and so forth. Drove his name recognition through the roof.

                He also got the enthusiastic endorsement of 13 of 17 city mayors in the County, many of whom were independents or Republicans. McAdams even got Bill Clinton (!) to do a fundraiser for him. And I think he coordinated with Matheson on bringing out the Latino vote (which Matheson is great at). Also, McAdam's opponent Mark Crockett was disliked by a lot of Republicans, and had a misstep on the environmental SkiLink issue (basically one of the few "green" issues that Utah conservatives agreed with Democrats on). McAdams was against SkiLink, which helped him even more.

                Not to mention that he managed to get the LDS Church (of which he is a member) to support an anti-discrimination ordinance in Salt Lake City, which quickly spread throughout the County (and is now possibly going statewide). And he's been strong on fighting credit card fraud (though he didn't manage to get anti-fraud legislation passed). Ben McAdams is the best progressive Democrat in Utah, no questions asked.

                Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

                by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:48:39 AM PST

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                •  Wow. That's impressive. (3+ / 0-)
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                  So is McAdams that personally popular? Does he just have a lot of juice with the powers that be in Utah? Or is it a combination of both?

                  Ever since I moved to Nevada nearly 4 years ago, I've been very fascinated with Utah politics. We're so different in so many ways, get we also have some interesting similarities.

                  •  A little of both (3+ / 0-)
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                    McAdams is very good at seizing the moment; he started out as a aide to the Salt Lake City mayor Ralph Becker (Rocky Anderson's replacement), and when his predecessor as state senator (Scott McCoy, Utah's first openly-gay state senator) resigned in 2009 to focus on a law career, McAdams easily convinced the delegates to elect him. As a state senator, he also keeps his job as aide to Ralph Becker, basically acting as a go-between with the city and the state legislature (which is how he convinced the legislature to refrain from overriding the anti-discrimination ordinance). While being the go-between guy, he interacts a lot with the city mayors across the County, building up a needed friendship. He's soon known as the most effective Democratic senator at pumping out successful legislation.

                    Flash forward to 2011 when Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon says he won't run for another term, and McAdams is ready (after a bit of bitter opposition from his state senator friend Ross Romero) to seize the moment again; he easily avoided a primary, and he gains the (respectable) resources of Corroon to back him, along with the other advantages I've already mentioned.

                    So it's a combination of personal popularity, friendship with even the Republicans, and being very politically savvy. I was at the Utah Democratic Convention last year, and I can tell you that he was one of the most popular people there.

                    As a side note, the seat that McAdams held is known as "the gay seat", since it represents a portion of Salt Lake City that has a large gay population. McAdams predecessor (Scott McCoy) and successor (Jim Dabakis) are both gay, and many of the rising stars that want the seat are also gay. McAdams was the only straight state senator from there for almost a decade.

                    As for Nevada vs Utah politics, likewise. I can't really get my head around some of the more esoteric political trends in Nevada, but it's fun to watch a neighbor state's politics.

                    Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

                    by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:37:12 AM PST

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                    •  Ha! This may be the first time... (1+ / 0-)
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                      I've heard "esoteric" as a description of Nevada politics, though the adjective certainly does fit.

                      For one, being on the Clark County Commission is most often seen as a career killer. Just look at Rory Reid, Chris Ginchigliani, Tom Collins, and possibly soon Steve Sisolak. (He's rumored to run for Governor, yet many Democrats HATE him.) Especially ever since "G-Sting" (stripper club bribery scandal that took down several politicians here AND in San Diego nearly a decade ago), the Commission has had a bad reputation. Even though Rory & Chris G were never mired in scandal themselves, just being on the CCC hurt them politically (Rory when running for NV-Gov in 2010, Chris G when running for Las Vegas Mayor in 2011).

                      Is there a lot of regionalism in Utah politics? Perhaps the most frustrating facet of Nevada politics is the ongoing North v. South rivalry. It's now killed Shelley Berkley's political career, and it's why Dina Titus won't ever run statewide again. Is there anything like that in Utah?

                      •  Yeah, regionalism plays a small part.. (1+ / 0-)
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                        in Utah politics. Mostly it's "Salt Lake City v. the rest of Utah", but it's also "Southern+Northern vs. Central Utah."

                        Basically, if you're a politician from SLC, you're assumed to be ultra-liberal, even if you're a moderate hero like Peter Corroon. And even if you are only from the largely urban Wasatch Front (where literally 2/3s of Utah's population is crammed in), you tend to be disliked by the rural portions of the state. Salt Lake County politicians (especially Democratic ones) tend to be unable to gain traction anywhere else. Other than that though, regionalism doesn't play too much of a part. Jason Chaffetz, for example, is an urbanite, yet he's quite popular in his mainly rural, western Utah district.

                        Interesting stuff about Nevada politics in any case. Do you see any sign of the rivalry subsiding?

                        Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

                        by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 03:52:09 PM PST

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            •  Can he win statewide? (2+ / 0-)
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              But then again, that may be a moot point. It sounds like the Salt Lake County Council is as powerful there as the Clark County Commission here.

              So I take it being labeled a "Salt Lake politician" isn't as politically toxic there as "Las Vegas/Clark County politician" can sometimes be here?

              •  Yes and No (2+ / 0-)
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                The Salt Lake County Council is the most powerful non-state/legislature governing body in Utah, and someone who is a member of the Council or the County Mayor has a ready-made base of support, but there's limitations to this support.

                First, the Councilmembers (Councilmen? I forget the correct phrasing) have districts roughly equivalent to a Congressional District, but only in Salt lake County. They each represent a geographical area of the County, except for an "at-large" Councilmember. That member is usually a seasoned, older Councilmember that doesn't seek higher office (the current at-large guy is 66 year-old Democrat Jim Bradley). So the geographically-based Councilmembers only have a base in their district, and are usually not popular outside of it. Take Mark Crockett (whom I mentioned in an earlier comment) for example. He was a former Councilman, and he was tremendously unpopular with his colleagues and constituents. Anger management issues and such. So even though he had a bloc in the County that would vote for him (Provo, the suburb cities, etc), McAdams was able to undercut his support everywhere else.

                Second, unless you're a Republican (who have better candidates for statewide office anyway), the stereotype of Salt Lake County politicians is that they're all Salt Lake City liberals. People outside the County hate you automatically (mainly because they don't know you), and those aforementioned conservative spots in the County itself will vote against you anyway.

                McAdams may be able to negate that dislike, if he makes smart decisions (and improves upon his high popularity), but the odds are that County Mayor is the highest position he can aspire to.

                Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

                by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:30:15 AM PST

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    •  Swallow-Johnson Scandal (15+ / 0-)

      I wish I could think of a joke that would make that funnier than it already is.

      ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

      by James Allen on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:12:11 AM PST

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    •  Oh yes, the scandal... (6+ / 0-)

      That teabaggers keep trying to tie to Harry Reid. Sigh. From what I understand, Johnson originally alleged that Rawles & Swallow promised access to Reid if Johnson paid up. There still hasn't been anything revealed that actually shows any involvement by Reid, but that hasn't stopped any corruption rumors before.

      Wow. You sound more excited about your Legislature than I am about mine... And I'm the one living in the Blue State! Well, it doesn't help when the "big idea for tax reform" being floated around is charging sales tax at the hair stylist and the lawyer's office. At least Carson City will also be tackling issues like repealing the marriage ban and saving the last of the wild horses.

      •  The scandal and the legislature (2+ / 0-)
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        Yeah, you should check out the Salt Lake Tribune comment boards whenever there's an article about Swallow. Half the comments are mocking Swallow for being a corrupt "Mormon good 'ol boy" (which as a Mormon leftist I think is unfair), and the other half of the comments are ramblings about Harry Reid, even though it's clear that he had no idea whatsoever about this deal. Besides, he's the Senate Majority Leader, surely if he'd be involved in some kind of bribery deal, it'd involve larger sums of money.

        And regarding the Utah Legislature, I'm really impressed by the Dems (14 in the House of Reps, only 5 in the state senate), who push moderately progressive bills (that may have a chance of passing), and some of the new Republican legislators, who are far more moderate than the 2010 freshmen. Sure, there's the "Utah gun laws are superior to federal gun laws, don't take mah guns" types, but there's also forward-thinking GOP freshmen, like the legislator who is pushing a bill to put all records affected by the open records law onto one site, and getting rid of the fee.

        And it also helps that there's a site devoted to covering the legislative part of Utah politics: http://utahpoliticalcapitol.com/

        •  I have. Whenever Ralston... (4+ / 0-)
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          Links to them, I check to see what's actually happening. So far, the only ones seeing this supposed "HARRY REID SCANDAL!!!!!" are the usual suspects who are still licking their wounds over Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrron Angle losing to Reid in 2010. I suspect Ralston just hypes up this story every once in a while to keep Twitter followers.

          As to our Legislature, there's plenty of angst on the right and the left over what will likely happen this session. It's unclear yet whether leadership in one or both parties will face a revolt over acquiescence to Governor Sandoval on tax policy. He wants the status quo, teabaggers want to slash corporate taxes even more, and progressives want to eliminate mining tax loopholes & institute a Texas (no, really!) style business margins tax.

          The interesting twist here is that the margins tax started as a citizen initiative last year. So if NVLeg fails to enact it this session, it must go onto next year's general election ballot. At this point, some progressives (myself included) have come to the point of hoping NVLeg leaders just leave it alone so we can campaign for it next year like California progressives did with Prop 30 last year.

          •  What's a "margins tax"? (3+ / 0-)
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            I hear Ralston talk about it all the time and how it's supposedly giving every legislator heartburn, but what is it?

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            by LordMike on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:50:15 AM PST

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            •  Here you go. (3+ / 0-)
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              http://www.nsea-nv.org/...

              At this point, the state teachers' union and the Nevada AFL-CIO have collected more than enough signatures for it to qualify. But unlike California & Arizona (where citizen initiatives go directly to the people after qualifying), Nevada citizen initiatives must first be submitted to the Legislature. And only after the Legislature fails to enact it does it then go to the people in the next election.

              Frankly, I think it's ridiculous for any Dem in Carson City to fear The Education Initiative. If anything, there's the potential to mobilize Democratic voters around it like California progressives did with Prop 30 last year. And remember, Prop 30 actually helped increase Democratic turnout across California.

    •  I think 2014 is their last chance (1+ / 0-)
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      to unseat Matheson. After that, he's in it for the long haul.

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      by demographicarmageddon on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:01:05 PM PST

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      •  Depends who runs in 2016 (1+ / 0-)
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        They could possibly have a better chance to unseat him then.

        But like with Edwards in Texas, we should never bet against Matheson until or unless he actually loses. If you recall, Edwards ultimately lost by plenty. So Matheson's luck could suddenly change, too, but it would probably (though not necessarily) have to be in a wave.

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        by MichaelNY on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:39:07 PM PST

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      •  That is, unless he decides for statewide office. (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm of the opinion that Matheson might want to emulate his dad and try for a statewide seat in 2016; the Senate (unlikely) or the Governor's Mansion (somewhat probable, and in keeping with his dad's position). Several polls showed him matching or even narrowly beating Governor Gary Herbert in 2012, even with the Romney tide. I think he could do a lot of good as Governor, or at least be a bit more centrist and a bit less conservative.

        But yeah, if they can't stop Jim in 2014, the Republicans should probably just give up, since they couldn't beat him after gerrymandering his seat (twice), throwing bucketloads of cash at his various opponents, and running an inspiring (if crazy) candidate in the year of Romneygeddon. He'll have become as institutional as Bill Young in Florida.

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        by Gygaxian on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:20:53 PM PST

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  •  Writing a letter to Baldwin, Johnson, and Kind (13+ / 0-)

    earlier this evening. Was writing in opposition to the Saturday mail change, and I had my letter all wrote up, and pasted into Tammy's email box, and I thought, you know, I am writing about saving the post office while helping kill it by using email. So, I closed out of her email, and am going to print and send my letter through the USPS instead.

    Farm boy, 20, who hit the city to go to college, WI-03 (home, voting), WI-02 (college), -6.75, -3.18, Coya shouldn't have been sent home.

    by WisJohn on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 11:42:17 PM PST

  •  Press release from Gov. Abercrombie (7+ / 0-)

    yeah, I'm still on his mailing list.  It's about same-sex marriage, and reads as follows:

    HONOLULU – Gov. Neil Abercrombie in 2011 signed into law civil unions, which represented Hawaii’s diversity, protected people's privacy, and reinforced our core values of equality and aloha.  In 2012, a lawsuit was filed against Gov. Abercrombie in his official capacity claiming discrimination for failing to allow same sex couples to marry. The governor has declined to contest the lawsuit citing elements of the civil union law. The Attorney General is defending the Department of Health in carrying out its duty under the current law. This legislative session, there are bills to address marriage equality and Gov. Abercrombie is urging the Hawaii State Legislature to hear those measures.  

    Gov. Abercrombie stated:
    “I have always supported human equality and agree with President Obama and our Congressional Delegation that all of our citizens should be treated equally.

    “Hawaii is a state defined by our diversity, compassion and aloha.  I encourage our state legislators to hold hearings on the marriage equality bill so that we can further discussions on equal treatment under the law.”

    Sounds like good news.  Some of the old anti-gay Dems are out of the legislature now; a marriage bill should be able to easily pass both chambers.  And don't discount the influence Obama (and his changed position) holds over the state.  Looks like Hawaii will join Illinois and Rhode Island in legalizing same-sex marriage this year.  And I'm hopeful California also returns to the fold.  Would put us at 13 total states, plus DC.
  •  Happy Chinese New Year, everyone! (8+ / 0-)
  •  My music submission. (3+ / 0-)
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    by HoosierD42 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:32:00 AM PST

  •  Today in MO-8 (2+ / 0-)
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    The GOP will pick their nominee for the upcoming June 4th special election. Whoever they pick will likely be the next member of Congress from MO.

    http://www.semissourian.com/...

    I have always been a big Sarah Steeleman fan, but I understand she apperently has very little chance of becoming the nominee.

    Age 25, Republican, WA-03 (represented by wonderful Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler), getting married in June :)

    by KyleinWA on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:13:46 AM PST

  •  NY Times calls on Menendez to step down as (3+ / 0-)
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    chair of the foreign relations committee.  At least temporarily.

    Senator Robert Menendez was never a distinguished choice for chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the position he ascended to this month by virtue of seniority. Concerns about that quality gap have sharply escalated amid new disclosures about Mr. Menendez’s use of his position to advance the financial interests of a friend and big donor. Instead of trying to protect Mr. Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, needs to remove his gavel, at least pending credible resolution by the Senate Ethics Committee of the swirling accusations of misconduct.
    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    www.buonoforgovernor.com

    by Paleo on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:49:37 AM PST

    •  He should do that on general principle (7+ / 0-)

      for being a useless hawk.

      •  I do not like that term you apply to him (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, he's not a great Senator, but he's not useless.  He's done a lot to work on immigration reform and he cares a lot about it.  I only oppose him on a few policy things like his support on continuing to isolate and embargo Cuba.  What makes him a hawk?  did he support the Iraq resolution?

        "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

        by KingofSpades on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:00:44 PM PST

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    •  I wonder if this is the play all along. (2+ / 0-)
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      Dems are behind the newest "leaks" here knowing it's not enough to have him lose his seat, but they want him off the Chair of Foreign Relations, so have his issue hanging over him to try and get him to give it up.  

      It would likely go to Cardin, because while Boxer is next in line, she wouldn't give up her Enviro chair because Baucus would be next in line there.

      Keystone XL Pipeline - Canada gets the money, Asia gets the oil, America gets the toxic refinery pollution and potential for a pipeline leak ecological disaster.

      by Jacoby Jonze on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:02:18 AM PST

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  •  Tom Allen's Dissertation (2+ / 0-)
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    Salon published former Congressman Tom Allen's veritable dissertation on partisan problems in Congress.

    Most of it will be "well, duh" to you, but it's worth reading because of it's incredulity toward Republicans. If I could offer some advice to Congressional Democrats it would be to stop trying to analyze right-wing nutjobs' deep motivations and just take power from their hands. Republicans only understand the brute force of power. Allen isn't a dimwit, it's just that much of his analysis is beside the point.

    http://www.snappac.org/ Students for a New American Politics!

    by redrelic17 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:06:02 AM PST

  •  SC-01: Stephen Colbert spoke at the (8+ / 0-)

    House Democratic conference yesterday, and apparently slipped out of the conservative talk show persona to talk about his sister, and her congressional bid in this district.

    I doubt Mark Sanford is the GOP nominee here, maybe he makes the runoff, but Sanford vs. Elizabeth Colbert Busch would be a great race.

    I dont know how much DCCC will spend here, without Sanford as the GOP nominee, but Elizabeth Colbert Busch does seem like a pretty good candidate(Note to Ed Markey: see you are allowed to have a website when you run in a special).

    Anyway, the primary is March 19, runoff April 2, and the general is May 7. It will be interesting to see how this race develops. Of the three special elections for House, this could turn out to be the most interesting.  

  •  MO8 voting (3+ / 0-)
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    First ballot:

    Jason Smith (State Rep, Salem) 28
    Lloyd Smith 14
    Bob Parker 13
    Todd Richardson (State Rep, Poplar Bluff) 11
    Jason Crowell (ex-State Sen, Cape) 10
    Peter Kinder (Lt. Gov, Cape) 10
    Scott Lipke (ex-State Rep, CapeCo) 5
    Wendell Bailey (ex-Treasurer) 4
    Clint Tracy (CapeCo Presiding Commissioner) 2
    John Tyrrell (attorney) 1

    Tyrrell out

    Second ballot

    J Smith 33
    L Smith 17
    Parker 13
    Crowell 12
    Richardson 11
    Kinder 7
    Bailey 3
    Lipke 1
    Tracy 1

    Lipke and Tracy out

    Looking like Kinder is about to be eliminated or drop out real soon.

    The Republican Party isn't a party of small government, it's a party of a government for the few. @bhindepmo

    by RBH on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:03:54 AM PST

  •  New Hampshire CD Partisan Averages (3+ / 0-)
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     photo NHCDData2012_zps4479b51b.png
    Using the 2006-2012 statewide races as the average, Obama underperformed (relative to his statewide margin) by about .5% in the 1st and overperformed about .5% in the 2nd, perhaps helping to explain the similar margins for Shea-Porter and Kuster. The only Dems to lose either districts were Kerry in the 1st in 2004 and Hodes in both in 2010.

  •  I think Schwartz gonna put her hat in the ring (2+ / 0-)
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    she's been absent alot since this congress started. Even though were only a month in. Any guesses of who'll will take her place as the finaice chair at the DCCC?

    Moderate Progressive, Born in Cairo, Raised in NY-9 (Clarke), Living in NJ-10 (Payne Jr).

    by BKGyptian89 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:26:28 AM PST

    •  Reps. Donald Payne or Carolyn Maloney... (0+ / 0-)

      Would be good finance chairs.

      Keeper of the DKE glossary. Priceless: worth a lot; not for sale.

      by SaoMagnifico on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:58:31 PM PST

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      •  Payne? (1+ / 0-)
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        He's a freshman.  Or are you looking at an old seniority list that hasn't been updated since Payne Sr. died?

        20, CA-18 (home), CA-13 (school)
        politicohen.com
        Socially libertarian, moderate on foreign policy, immigration, and crime, liberal on everything else.
        UC Berkeley; I think I'm in the conservative half of this city. -.5.38, -3.23

        by jncca on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:41:09 PM PST

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        •  oops (2+ / 0-)
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          just realized you're talking about DCCC and not a congressional committee.

          20, CA-18 (home), CA-13 (school)
          politicohen.com
          Socially libertarian, moderate on foreign policy, immigration, and crime, liberal on everything else.
          UC Berkeley; I think I'm in the conservative half of this city. -.5.38, -3.23

          by jncca on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:41:34 PM PST

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  •  Yeah. Poor Corbett. First a woman takws his old ag (4+ / 0-)

    seat (and assigns a spwcial investigator). Now another may take his governorship. (From Taegan Goddard):
    ==============
    Rep. Allyson Schwartz (D-PA) is seriously considering seeking the Democratic nomination for governor in Pennsylvania as her party tries to unseat incumbent Gov. Tom Corbett (R) in the 2014 election, the Philadelphia Inquirer reports.

    "Democrats are seeing Corbett as vulnerable in light of his low approval ratings in recent statewide polls. Though state Treasurer Rob McCord and of other Democrats have dropped hints about entering the race, the only one to toss his hat in the ring to date is John Hanger, the former state environmental secretary."
    ==============

    "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

    by TofG on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 12:05:22 PM PST

  •  On the strangeness of the Hawaii statehood votes (4+ / 0-)
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    of 1953.  

    In 1953, there was a vote to recommit (which usually means "kill", right?) Hawaiian statehood.  It was nearly a party-line vote, with most Democrats voting to recommit and most Republicans voting against it.  This was a (rare) Republican Congress, and the thing went to a full vote.

    In the full vote, the Democratic caucus was split down the middle, and most Republicans supported the bill.

    Looking at it more closely, it seems like many Northern Democrats voted to recommit the bill but then voted for it when the motion to recommit failed, while many Republicans and Southern Democrats voted more apparently consistently--against the motion to recommit and for the bill, or for the motion to recommit and against the bill.

    At the time, Hawaii was much more Republican--since this was a bit before the Democratic Revolution of 1954.  And I've heard and read that statehood began as a Republican position.  So maybe Northern Democrats didn't want statehood, but didn't want to be seen opposing it, either, while Republicans consistently wanted statehood, and Southern Democrats had no qualms about opposing it outright.  Or maybe Northern Dems really wanted to send the bill back to committee.

    A news article at the time (that I can't link to) suggested that some "Republicans in populous states" opposed statehood, since they didn't think a state with a mere 500,000 people deserved two Senators.  They also said some Democrats wanted to recommit the bill to try to force a vote on Alaskan statehood, since Alaska was seen as the more Democratic state at the time.  Perhaps that was the divide.

    There was also an amendment to force Hawaii to have only one House member, even though with its population (500,000) it would usually require two (since at the time it was one House member for 350,000 people--I don't really get that much).  I don't think that vote is online, though.

    27, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-10 (formerly PA-02/NY-12, then PA-02/NY-14).

    by Xenocrypt on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 12:24:32 PM PST

  •  Eagle Cam (6+ / 0-)

    Sorry this has nothing to do with politics but I thought it was pretty cool and might be OK for a weekend open thread. The MN DNR has a live cam of a Bald Eagle nest where the 3 eggs are expected to hatch any day.

    http://www.eaglecam.dnr.state.mn.us/

  •  New Washington Redistricting Diary! (2+ / 0-)
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    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    My new Diary asks: "What if Suzan DelBene and Denny Heck had won their races is 2010, and Jay Inslee had waited until the maps were drawn to announce his Gov run?"

    In it, I draw 7 relatively clean districts that are 52%+ Murray for the Dem incumbents, and give the 3rd solidly to the Republicans to get them to play ball.

    If only...

  •  rewrite from LOD the other night (1+ / 0-)
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    Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

    Moderate Progressive, Born in Cairo, Raised in NY-9 (Clarke), Living in NJ-10 (Payne Jr).

    by BKGyptian89 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 02:37:34 PM PST

    •  Nice piece, but over the top (2+ / 0-)
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      Gun control is a divisive issue, and taking any position on it loses Andrew Cuomo some support, but gun control is a majority position in this state, whereas implacable opposition to the death penalty was a very unpopular position when Mario Cuomo took it. Andrew Cuomo deserves credit for any positive action he takes, but he has yet to show the kind of political courage that cost Cuomo his last election, and Cuomo also lacked the courage - or something - to run for President, ever.

      We also should never forget "Vote for Cuomo, not the homo" when we talk about either Cuomo. Anyone who listened to Koch's 2007 interview on "Last Words" on the New York Times online knows that former Mayor Koch always held a grudge against both Cuomos for that shadowy campaign, which surely was not high-minded.

      So credit where it's due, but no hero-worshipping of the Cuomos, please.

      Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

      by MichaelNY on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:59:20 PM PST

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  •  MA-Sen (3+ / 0-)
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    Ed Markey seems keen on fucking this up. He's been announced for a month and a half, while Stephen Lynch has been announced for just over a week. Stephen Lynch's website  is already more advanced than Lynch's. Now I'm going to directly address Mr. Markey: GET. YOUR. SHIT. TOGETHER.

    Barbara Buono for NJ Governor 2013, Terry McAuliffe for VA Governor 2013

    by interstate73 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:31:24 PM PST

    •  *Already more advanced than Markey's (0+ / 0-)

      Barbara Buono for NJ Governor 2013, Terry McAuliffe for VA Governor 2013

      by interstate73 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:32:02 PM PST

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    •  Both sites have stayed about the same (2+ / 0-)
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      since their induction.  Markey's gained a FB link and a changing backdrop recently.

      "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

      by KingofSpades on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:37:10 PM PST

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    •  It doesn't make any sense... (2+ / 0-)
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      Even if Markey is still stuck back in the '80's with his campaign ideas, his staffers shouldn't be.  Does he not have one senior staffer who has ran a campaign in the last 20 years?  

      Keystone XL Pipeline - Canada gets the money, Asia gets the oil, America gets the toxic refinery pollution and potential for a pipeline leak ecological disaster.

      by Jacoby Jonze on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:41:43 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  even if Markey loses to Lynch (0+ / 0-)

      he could just wait another few terms to become E&C chairman.

      RRH expat (known as AquarianLeft). Also known as freepcrusher on leip atlas forum

      by demographicarmageddon on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:44:43 PM PST

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      •  chairman requires a majority (1+ / 0-)
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        That's a possibility in 2018, but will likely not be before 2022.

        20, CA-18 (home), CA-13 (school)
        politicohen.com
        Socially libertarian, moderate on foreign policy, immigration, and crime, liberal on everything else.
        UC Berkeley; I think I'm in the conservative half of this city. -.5.38, -3.23

        by jncca on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:36:48 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  depends if you believe the republicans win the WH (0+ / 0-)

          in 2016.

          RRH expat (known as AquarianLeft). Also known as freepcrusher on leip atlas forum

          by demographicarmageddon on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:40:45 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I'd say right now it's 50-50 (0+ / 0-)

            Then a real wave is 50-50 as well, giving us approximately a 25% chance.

            20, CA-18 (home), CA-13 (school)
            politicohen.com
            Socially libertarian, moderate on foreign policy, immigration, and crime, liberal on everything else.
            UC Berkeley; I think I'm in the conservative half of this city. -.5.38, -3.23

            by jncca on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:29:50 PM PST

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        •  It could be possible in 2016, (2+ / 0-)
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          but if and only if we have Hillary as our nominee. Unfortunately, that probably sets us up for huge losses in 2018 again.

          Though what happens in 2020 would be unguessable as it depends on economic circumstances.

          23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

          by wwmiv on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:03:51 AM PST

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          •  I wonder (3+ / 0-)
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            if that would mean huge losses in 2018. Many of the midterm waves are about a substantial group of voters rising up against what they perceive as a new and/or serious threat. After Hillary is elected, we'll be in Year 10 of Democratic rule by 2018. So I bet a lot of those voters could just be discouraged/resigned by then; they might not have enough energy to mount a serious threat.

            Last time this scenario occurred was in 1990, when the out party gained seven seats: a moderate, non-wave move away from the president's party. We were also in the middle of a recessionary period, which no doubt hurt them.

  •  question about what a fair NJ map would look like (0+ / 0-)

    I drew a map to see what NJ would look like under a shortest splitline map. Is it possible that Holt, Pallone and Smith would all do musical chairs?

    My NJ-04 would look like the district that Smith held in his first term and would have a D+7.7 PVI

    The NJ-06 would look like the district Pallone held in his first two terms and would have a PVI of R+7.1

    The NJ-12 district would be similar to the district held by Bernard Dwyer 30 years ago and would have a PVI of D+6.5

    So would Pallone carpetbag to Perth Amboy and run in the 12th, Smith carpetbag to Monmouth to run in the 6th and Holt run in the 4th?

    RRH expat (known as AquarianLeft). Also known as freepcrusher on leip atlas forum

    by demographicarmageddon on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:50:50 PM PST

  •  Pet Peve (14+ / 0-)

    So I think that the SSP-DK merger did a lot of good things. I really do. It's brought us a lot of great new posters, and of course, David now gets paid.

    But you know what I can't stand? The fact that you now can't publish a single redistricting diary without some Damn googoo popping in to say "OMG, you're just like a Republican because you don't support unilaterally surrendering on redistricting and are willing to play the game that's necessary to be remotely relevant in the house!" I mean, I got one on my Washington state diary, that wasn't even than ugly, and was more or less just about a better negotiating position on a map that was already an incumbent protection gerrymander.

    Grumble mutter.

  •  I was looking at the MI house results (2+ / 0-)
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    and I think there are 11 seats that are in reach. Districts 30, 39, 41, 51, 57, 63, 70, 79, 81, 101, 103. Remember MI Dems shrinked the MI GOP margin to 8, making it 59-51. So the house is definitely in reach, but the senate is next to impossible. We just have to make more than 2 gains, like 4 or maybe 5.

    Moderate Progressive, Born in Cairo, Raised in NY-9 (Clarke), Living in NJ-10 (Payne Jr).

    by BKGyptian89 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:37:37 PM PST

    •  Some Comments (1+ / 0-)
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      District 30: We really need to challenge this seat. Dems failed to recruit a strong candidate here. In fact the Democrat didn't campaign at all.

      District 39: I don't think we can beat Kesto. He is Chaldean and even though Chaldean's are already more conservative than many minorities, they really turned out for him. Dems put some money behind Jackson and were really hoping to steal that one.

      District 41: Democrats failed really hard on this one.  Mary Kerwin is a fairly well known person in Troy. Despite that Democrats did not help her at all! If they had put some money behind her, she probably would have won. The Demographics of this seat should favor Democrats. Troy is becoming more diverse. Meanwhile more young families are moving to Clawson. We need to convince Kerwin to run again.

      District 63: This will never be competitive again. Jase (the Speaker) will be term limited so we cannot use his scandal against him. We spent A LOT of money on a loss. (ie several hundred thousand dollars). This year was the perfect storm.

      District 70: It was only somewhat close because Mike Huckleberry ran again. He is a former state rep in the area. I am not sure how many times he can run and lose. If he doesn't run again, I don't think it will be close.

      District 79: We have never been able to get this district. It probably was only close because of high minority turnout in Benton Harbor. We would really need somebody that will drive up turnout there while doing well in St. Joseph. I am not convinced that somebody like that exists.

      District 81: It was an open seat this year. Open seats tend to be the best shot at a party flip. That didn't happen. Other than that I am not sure why it was close. It wasn't on anybody's radar.

      District 101: This will always be competitive. I thought we would be able to take it this year, we got to try again.

      District 103:  It was only competitive because Lon Johnson  spent a boatload of money and worked his ass off. That is why people want him to be state party chair. If a superstar candidate like Johnson cannot win, this district is out of reach.

      Some districts you didn't mention:

      District 23: This is a super Democratic seat that we shouldn't be losing. Our candidate had a great profile but ran a bad campaign. Democrats gave up on him at the end.

      District 57: We really contested it. We must keep contesting it. If only we can convince some member of the Spade clan to run. Brothers Doug and Dudley Spade represented the district.

      District 64/65: We must contest Jackson County.

      District 106: We should be able to win here. We had a candidate with a good profile, but he did not run the best campaign.

      District 108: Beating McBroom will be hard. He is well liked in the district. We should contest it just to build up some name rec for 2016 when he will be termed out.

      Let's also not forget we will have some tough defenses. All of our pickups (besides Zemke (55)) could be competitive. We will probably lose Terry Brown's (district 84) seat. Brown just wins in a district that no other Democrat will win. He will be termed out because he served two previous terms before barely losing in 2010. Unless some member of his family runs, I have a hard time seeing us keeping that seat.

      M, 23, School: MI-12, Home: NY-18

      by slacks on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:35:30 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  So overall (0+ / 0-)

        do you think it's a very good chance we get the house? Like on a scale of 1-10. And how do you think the court will decide on RTW?

        Moderate Progressive, Born in Cairo, Raised in NY-9 (Clarke), Living in NJ-10 (Payne Jr).

        by BKGyptian89 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 06:44:25 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  We will need good candidates (0+ / 0-)

          I think we can probably win 23, 30, 41, 101, and 106 if we recruit great candidates. Assuming we lose only 84, we only need 2 of 57, 64, 65, 39. It is going to be really hard so we need to recruit candidates now.

          As for RTW, I don't think the MI Supreme Court will rule in our favor. They are Republican hacks.

          M, 23, School: MI-12, Home: NY-18

          by slacks on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 07:29:39 AM PST

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  •  How does Rep Mike McIntyre keep Black voters happy (3+ / 0-)
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    By bringing his Black friends to the district to talk to them about civil rights.  He's bringing Marcia Fudge (D-OH) to a Black church this year, last year he brought John Lewis (D-GA).

    Even though he votes against most African American interests in Congress.  I know this is nothing big but it's just funny to me.  I like Rep. McIntyre and support him for re-election - I know why he has to have such a conservative voting record.  But he feels like he can keep Black voters happy just by riding in an MLK Parade float and bringing John Lewis to a church in the district.  It is why I sometimes view politics so cynically and politicians as so dishonest... and it's why Mike McIntyre is such a caricature of a politician.

    •  I feel your pain... (2+ / 0-)
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      It's very similar here where I live.

      Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

      by Gygaxian on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:08:41 PM PST

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      •  What does Matheson do to keep enough people happy (2+ / 0-)
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        so he keeps winning re-election despite twice being the explicit target of Republican redistricting?

        "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

        by KingofSpades on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:15:13 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I have no clue (0+ / 0-)

          It's one of my (many) complaints with Matheson. I've checked through all the votes he's done, all the legislation he's sponsored, everything he's voted for or against, and I could literally find only two bills that he's actually passed, one reforming payments to the Native Americans in the Mountain West, and one bill authorizing payments to "down-winders" (those who faced health problems as a result of being down-wind of nuclear testing).

          Otherwise, he votes over half the time with the Republicans, he doesn't provide any "third way" of his own, he doesn't promote the Utah Democratic Party, he doesn't really call out both parties (only his own), and he doesn't articulate why he's a Democrat. I understand that he has to be rather conservative, and that he can't vote for most high-profile legislation that has a whiff of leftism to it, but he could at least try harder to not be a Republican.

          It's ridiculous how he keeps getting re-elected simply as a buffer against the Utah Republicans. He does nothing but that and is basically a Republican (and not even a moderate one) with a "D" by his name, and I don't think that's good enough.

          Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

          by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:18:51 AM PST

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          •  Good enough for what or whom? (3+ / 0-)
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            He barely wins as it is. If he were more liberal, he'd get creamed.

            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

            by MichaelNY on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:37:49 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  You have a point, but.... (0+ / 0-)

              He could at least articulate his views better than "I'm independent, now watch as I always vote with the Republicans on important issues". Or at least try to pass any sort of legislation. I'd feel better if he tried to pass anything besides his recent "ban violent game sales to minors" claptrap, even if it was conservative. He just feels like he's wasting everyone's time in the House.

              Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

              by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:41:46 AM PST

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              •  he doesn't always vote with Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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                not even a majority of the time on real votes.

                ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                by James Allen on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:16:15 PM PST

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                •  Well, according to most studies of Con. voting... (1+ / 0-)
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                  He votes with the Democrats 51% of the time, including procedural voting and nonpartisan (like naming an airport or whatnot) voting. And I checked on VoteSmart, he votes with the Republicans on the major issues in Congress. So by that definition, if you don't include procedural and naming votes, he votes more than half the time with the Republicans.

                  Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

                  by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:20:26 PM PST

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                  •  Well its just really hard to get a decent (3+ / 0-)
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                    progressive elected to congress from Utah. I mean would you have rather had Claudia Wright defeat Matheson in 2010 and be stuck with Morgan Philpot. The district as its drawn right now should be sending a representative that votes near 100% with Republicans (only staying to vote with the tea party fringe)

                    Conservative as he his Matheson is barely clinging to victory. Perhaps it might be easier to focus on lower level races like the legislature work on building up registration numbers. The state isn't as amenable to voting for Dems as it once was. I'm not saying its impossible it just may take the right candidate in the right environment to win statewide.

                    In fact, the occasional victory for the GOP cannot hide the fact that this country is fast heading into another era, not of two-party democracy, but a party-and-a-half system. And the GOP is the half a party- Larry Sabato

                    by lordpet8 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:41:42 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  You have a point there, but (0+ / 0-)

                      the state Democratic party doesn't seem to have much interest in building up lower-level races outside of Salt Lake City, where they already hold power.

                      And I haven't said anything about wanting a true progressive in Utah; I know full well that that's never going to happen. I just want a Matheson-esque candidate that isn't a backbencher who does nothing to advance any ideals.

                      Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

                      by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:06:54 PM PST

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          •  btw, I assume your username (1+ / 0-)
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            is based on the D&D creator?

            I approve.

            •  Yeah, I'm a big fan of D&D (1+ / 0-)
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              My dad played it in college, and one of the first books I remember reading is the D&D 1st edition books. Always loved D&D. Gary Gygax is one of my person heroes.

              I was going to go with a Mormon or Utah-based username (to better identify myself as a Mormon leftist), but I do that on a lot of forums, and I was sick of it. So I'm identifying myself by my fondness for D&D.

              Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

              by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:17:03 PM PST

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    •  I don't like McIntyre (2+ / 0-)
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      but I'm resigned to the fact that he's the best we can get in that district.

  •  Alaska Political Trends (1+ / 0-)
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    Alaska's political trends were discussed earlier in the thread, and I wanted to add more to this. A few weeks ago, I calculated the simple and composite two-party PVI of Alaska for every year going back to its first Presidential election in 1960. I was hoping to pinpoint when it became such a Republican state (knowing that it had been Democrat-friendly before) as well as whether it might be trending toward us as some have speculated. First, here's the composite two-party PVI going back to 1964:

    Alaska Composite Two-Party PVI
    1964: D+3.55
    1968: D+3.48
    1972: R+1.97
    1976: R+13.82
    1980: R+24.93
    1984: R+21.88
    1988: R+18.15
    1992: R+18.28
    1996: R+25.19
    2000: R+33.38
    2004: R+30.2
    2008: R+26.74
    2012: R+24.03
    Here's the simple two-party PVI going back to 1960:
    Alaska Simple Two-Party PVI
    1960: R+2.04
    1964: D+9.14
    1968: R+2.18
    1972: R+1.76
    1976: R+25.88
    1980: R+23.98
    1984: R+19.78
    1988: R+16.52
    1992: R+20.04
    1996: R+30.34
    2000: R+36.42
    2004: R+23.98
    2008: R+29.5
    2012: R+18.56
    Through this data, it seemed quite evident to me at the time that 1976 constituted a massive political shift toward the Republican Party, and such a shift in such a short amount of time seems quite unprecedented even by modern standards (though states like West Virginia, Arkansas, and Oklahoma are giving Alaska a run for its money). However, I wasn't sure why 1976 was so important and didn't look into it after tabulating this data. I think SaoMagnifico provided the correct answer above: that the discovery of substantial amounts of oil in Alaska in the late 1960s led to an oil boom in the 1970s and drew in a large amount of oil workers, mostly Republicans. This migration seems to have occurred almost entirely between the 1972 and 1976 Presidential elections. As such, I would peg that short time period as the period in which Alaska became a solidly Republican state, and the rapid expansion of the oil industry seems almost entirely to blame.

    I think Alaska might be trending toward us a little bit considering that 2012 was its least Republican simple two-party PVI since 1988, although it looked like it was getting lower from 1976 to 1988 and it only jumped right back, so who knows. I think it might help that Anchorage has been getting bluer (as far as I know), possibly pushing the state to the left.

    I do worry that the oil boom that pushed Alaska so far to the right could cause Heidi Heitkamp issues in her potential re-election bid in 2018. I still have faith in her ability to pull out a win (I thought all along she could pull it out in 2012), but she had to massively overperform President Obama by roughly 20 points, and I imagine the state is only going to get redder as time goes on. We'll have to keep an eye on the state and see how it progresses over the next few years.

    The Pragmatic Progressive (IN-4); Economic Left/Right: -7.12; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

    by AndySonSon on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:28:51 PM PST

    •  that's not how PVI is calculated (1+ / 0-)
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      divide each number by two.

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      Socially libertarian, moderate on foreign policy, immigration, and crime, liberal on everything else.
      UC Berkeley; I think I'm in the conservative half of this city. -.5.38, -3.23

      by jncca on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:37:44 AM PST

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      •  Also (1+ / 0-)
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        There are no states that are R+30, nor do I think there have been for the last thirty or so years.

        The current most Republican states are Wyoming and Utah, each at R+22 (though Utah is slightly more Republican at the decimal level 22.4 to 21.7, but that's not a meaningful difference).

        23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

        by wwmiv on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:11:03 AM PST

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        •  Knew That (2+ / 0-)
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          I knew I was doing something wrong in my calculations, and I knew it was much lower in reality based on what I'd seen from Cook and others on here. I wasn't sure what step I was missing in the process, though in retrospect it should've been obvious. I'll make another post fixing the PVI. Thanks to both of you for pointing this out.

          The Pragmatic Progressive (IN-4); Economic Left/Right: -7.12; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

          by AndySonSon on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:32:10 AM PST

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    •  Adjusted PVI (3+ / 0-)
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      I've fixed the PVIs for this post. Here's the composite two-party PVI of Alaska going back to 1964:

      Alaska Composite Two-Party PVI
      1964: D+1.78
      1968: D+1.74
      1972: R+0.99
      1976: R+6.91
      1980: R+12.47
      1984: R+10.94
      1988: R+9.08
      1992: R+9.14
      1996: R+12.56
      2000: R+16.69
      2004: R+15.1
      2008: R+13.37 (Really? Sarah Palin trolling us once again)
      2012: R+12.02
      Here's the simple two-party PVI of Alaska going back to 1960:
      Alaska Simple Two-Party PVI
      1960: R+1.02
      1964: D+4.57
      1968: R+1.09
      1972: R+0.88
      1976: R+12.94
      1980: R+11.99
      1984: R+9.89
      1988: R+8.26
      1992: R+10.02
      1996: R+15.17
      2000: R+18.21
      2004: R+11.99
      2008: R+14.75
      2012: R+9.28

      The Pragmatic Progressive (IN-4); Economic Left/Right: -7.12; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

      by AndySonSon on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:50:07 AM PST

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  •  Happy Lunar New Year! (6+ / 0-)

    I say Lunar New Year because Chinese New Year, Korean New Year (Seollal), and the Vietnamese New Year (Tết) are all on the same day.

    恭喜發財! 새해 복 많이 받으세요! Chúc mừng năm mới!

    It also happens to fall on the day where the first number in my signature goes up by one, something that happens every 19 years or so.

    23, D, pragmatic progressive (-4.50, -5.18), CA-12.

    by kurykh on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:53:43 AM PST

  •  The smallest district in American history? (7+ / 0-)

    The above is (more or less) the NY-12 that elected Socialist Meyer London.  I don't know what its population was at the time.

    Question is: Do you think this was, geographically, the smallest Congressional district in American history?  Judging by Google Maps, it's at most a mile and a half across the diagonal.  I'm sure it was immensely densely populated.  

    Campaigning must have been interestnig.  (The 1948 film The Naked City has some scenes filmed and set right in this area, although many decades later.)

    OTOH, I'm wondering about some Chicago districts.  An article I read said that Adolph Sabath was mocked as "half a Congressman" for his under-populated district.

    (Re-posting myself from Fuzzybigfoot's thread, and via Martis.)

    27, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-10 (formerly PA-02/NY-12, then PA-02/NY-14).

    by Xenocrypt on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:22:35 AM PST

  •  FL-GOV: Jim Greer's trial starts Monday (4+ / 0-)

    Greer is the former FL GOP party chair standing trial for theft, fraud and money laundering.

    Charlie Crist's name will come up during the trial and if he is somehow implicated in Greer's scheme(particularly knowing about "Victory Strategies"), then obviously the state Dem party might need to look elsewhere for a candidate.

    I mean, it's amazing to me that Rick Scott, of all people, could effectively run anti-corruption campaign, especially if Crist isnt implicated in wrong doing. But if the trial does hurt Crist's numbers, hopefully, Dems can go with another candidate. Pam Iorio would be my choice.

    link.

  •  I think this is interesting about Mike Pence (3+ / 0-)

    http://www.courier-journal.com/...

    I did not expect to see Pence as such a weak Governor to start out with. It seems that the GOP members of the General Assembly seem to be taking the lead, rather than Pence. But, it may be that Daniels enacted such a radical agenda in 2011-12 (and before that 2005-06), that there is not as much low hanging fruit for Pence. The most interesting thing for Pence is whether he can get his 10% income tax cut passed.

    "So there's a time for silence, and there's a time for waiting your turn. But if you know how you feel, and you so clearly know what you need to say, you'll know it. I don't think you should wait. I think you should speak now." -Taylor Swift

    by SouthernINDem on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:19:28 PM PST

    •  what would stop him? (1+ / 0-)
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      surely the Republicans could find fat left to cut.

      ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

      by James Allen on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:36:15 PM PST

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      •  A lot of this is a power struggle (4+ / 0-)

        The General Assembly wants to reclaim its power that it once had, and unlike Daniels, the General Assembly members don't really need Pence that much. They drew the 2011 maps, and they may actually gain more seats in the General Assembly in 2014. Add to that the Dem State Party is one of the worst run parties in America. It deserves absolutely no credit for the victories of Donnelly and Ritz, as they won because of who their opponents were and mistakes they made. In addition to the losses in the General Assembly, Dems lost numerous local offices in Indiana from St. Joseph to Clark Counties.

        He also does not have the kind of relations with the Indianapolis power structure you saw with Daniels. And there is no fat left, Mitch barely left much flesh on the bones, and some Republicans would like to add back some education money, as well as transportation money, since the state has already blown their the Toll Road money, which was supposed to last the state for 75 years.

        "So there's a time for silence, and there's a time for waiting your turn. But if you know how you feel, and you so clearly know what you need to say, you'll know it. I don't think you should wait. I think you should speak now." -Taylor Swift

        by SouthernINDem on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 12:47:45 PM PST

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        •  Toll Road $$$ (2+ / 0-)
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          How much was there, and what did they spend it on?

          Farm boy, 20, who hit the city to go to college, WI-03 (home, voting), WI-02 (college), -6.75, -3.18, Coya shouldn't have been sent home.

          by WisJohn on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:31:19 PM PST

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          •  They got $3.75 billion for a 75 year lease (4+ / 0-)
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            However, it included provisions that cut the amount down such as the state had to pay the company to keep tolls down, and a non-compete clause where the state could not improve free roads that would compete without compensating the company. The main projects they have said they have spent it on are the Ohio River Bridges project, I-69 expansion, and the upgrade of US-31. Also, Richard Mourdock did not invest the money very well. Add all this up, they say there is not enough money for US-31 or the last phase of I-69. It was a bad deal for Indiana.

            "So there's a time for silence, and there's a time for waiting your turn. But if you know how you feel, and you so clearly know what you need to say, you'll know it. I don't think you should wait. I think you should speak now." -Taylor Swift

            by SouthernINDem on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:55:52 PM PST

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            •  Holy smokes (7+ / 0-)
              and a non-compete clause where the state could not improve free roads that would compete without compensating the company.
              Wow. No words.

              Vaccinate your child. Vaccinate yourself. | Pro-transit, pro-gun, anti-NRA young black urban progressive | SSP/DKE | -9, -7.79 | MO-05 | Yard signs don't vote. | Hutchinson for IL-02!

              by gabjoh on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 04:17:28 PM PST

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              •  How (3+ / 0-)
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                does someone agree to an asinine clause like that?

                The Republican party is now an extreme right-wing party that is owned by their billionaire campaign contributors. - Bernie Sanders

                by ehstronghold on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:48:54 PM PST

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                •  That's free money, plain and simple. (2+ / 0-)
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                  And it only costs the state more.

                  "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

                  by KingofSpades on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:00:44 PM PST

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                  •  I heard the stupid comments from (2+ / 0-)
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                    Republicans that "the Toll Road doesn't make any money".

                    Do they realize that toll roads and bridges are not supposed to make money? The toll is to pay off the bond. The main reason tolls were kept on the Indiana Toll Road is that more exits and improvements were made after the initial bonds were paid off. I can understand placing tolls on existing roads for heavy trucks since they tend to tear up the roads quicker, but this was not a good deal for Indiana. If they needed the money up front, they could have issued new bonds, backed by future toll revenue.

                    Also, they included a provision that all the laws they violated to pass the law were now legal, but another provision provided that opponents challenging the law in court had to post a bond equal to the revenue in the deal to have standing. What a crock.

                    "So there's a time for silence, and there's a time for waiting your turn. But if you know how you feel, and you so clearly know what you need to say, you'll know it. I don't think you should wait. I think you should speak now." -Taylor Swift

                    by SouthernINDem on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:11:56 PM PST

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    •  I've found it suprising, too (2+ / 0-)
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      He really did not hit the ground running, ready to ram through a complete, coherent agenda.  It's as if they can't decide whether to push the economic stuff, the social stuff, educational stuff -- and the end result is a General Assembly session that really hasn't done all that much so far.

      •  Pence wants to be President (4+ / 0-)
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        His entire career in public service has been like that; vacuous, and striving to be inoffensive.

        (-9.38, -7.49), Blood type "O", social anarchist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

        by Setsuna Mudo on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:28:16 PM PST

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        •  *vapid (0+ / 0-)

          Although either one works.

          (-9.38, -7.49), Blood type "O", social anarchist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

          by Setsuna Mudo on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:30:42 PM PST

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        •  How does Pence figure he'll become President? (1+ / 0-)
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          He doesn't seem to have a ready-made base, isn't charismatic (unless I've missed something), doesn't seem to be that good at political maneuvering, and doesn't have any kind of symbolic political value.

          Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

          by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:13:42 PM PST

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          •  If he's the only evangelical in the race (4+ / 0-)

            which is quite possible looking at potential 2016 candidates, he has a decent shot at Iowa just based on hat.

            20, CA-18 (home), CA-13 (school)
            politicohen.com
            Socially libertarian, moderate on foreign policy, immigration, and crime, liberal on everything else.
            UC Berkeley; I think I'm in the conservative half of this city. -.5.38, -3.23

            by jncca on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:54:14 PM PST

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    •  I'm Not Surprised (2+ / 0-)
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      Pence has been a Washington guy all of these years, and he's only cared about Indiana insofar as it affects his national profile. I think it's pretty transparent that he only used his Gubernatorial run to build up a bigger profile for a Presidential run in 2016 or 2020 (a campaign in which he could only dig up a plurality of the vote at that), and he's not really interested in actually governing the state. Combine that with a Republican legislature with the most power it's seen in many decades, and it creates a very large power vacuum in favor of an already powerful legislature. As the article notes, it doesn't help that Pence's distance from the state has kept him away from the Indianapolis power brokers that others like Gregg and Daniels had great connections with.

      The Pragmatic Progressive (IN-4); Economic Left/Right: -7.12; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

      by AndySonSon on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 01:31:31 PM PST

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      •  I expected a little different (1+ / 0-)
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        I expected him to push an agenda to get the attention of the GOP primary electorate. But he might not have much of a clue how the state works, or much else for that matter.

        More interestingly, State Senate President David Long (R-Ft. Wayne) has so far killed a lot of bills that the far right has supported. The GOP could gain another two seats in the State Senate in 2014, and there are at least a couple of GOP incumbents that I expect to retire that could be replaced by the far right. It will be interesting to see if there is a coup by one of the far right members to take out Long.

        "So there's a time for silence, and there's a time for waiting your turn. But if you know how you feel, and you so clearly know what you need to say, you'll know it. I don't think you should wait. I think you should speak now." -Taylor Swift

        by SouthernINDem on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 02:03:05 PM PST

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  •  I was wandering a Rutgers library today (5+ / 0-)

    when I found a CQ book with detailed dossiers on all of the 1996 Presidential candidates.  They had things like voting records and election history.  Apparently, in 1962, Bob Dole narrowly won a primary for his first term in the House over Keith Sebelius (father-in-law of Kathleen Sebelius).  Also, in 1964, he only won 51-49 over Democrat Bill Bork.

    "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

    by KingofSpades on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 03:05:39 PM PST

    •  nah (2+ / 0-)
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      Dole/Sebelius for an open seat would be 1960 (Sebelius lost a primary for that seat to an incumbent by 51 votes in 1958)

      The Republican Party isn't a party of small government, it's a party of a government for the few. @bhindepmo

      by RBH on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 03:47:39 PM PST

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      •  for reference (3+ / 0-)
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        Dole's 1964 win: http://www.ourcampaigns.com/... (the county map is from one of the KS Statistical Abstracts: http://www.ipsr.ku.edu/... )

        Bork won around Hutchinson, Hays, Dodge City, and Garden City. While Dole won narrowly around Salina and Great Bend. But there was a NW Kansas for Dole, SW Kansas for Bork split.

        Should be interesting to see, in the years ahead, how the Hispanic influx into SW Kansas alters the area politically. Seward County (Liberal, KS) swung towards Obama and is 42% Hispanic. So as more Hispanics with citizenship go onto the voter rolls, we'll see if that changes the shading of some of those counties any.

        Also a sizable Hispanic population in Garden City, KS. The American Migration Map on Forbes shows an El Paso County to Seward/Finney County movement, even if it's in small numbers.

        The Republican Party isn't a party of small government, it's a party of a government for the few. @bhindepmo

        by RBH on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:50:41 PM PST

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  •  Mitt Romney's loss of Massachusetts was the most (11+ / 0-)

    EPIC home state loss since 1856.  Check it out...

    1888: Cleveland (D) loses NY by 1%
    1892: Harrison (R) loses IN by 1%
    1860: Douglas (D) loses IL by 3%
    1900: Bryan (D) loses NE by 3%
    1928: Smith (D) loses NY by 3%
    1880: Hancock (D) loses PA by 4%
    2000: Gore (D) loses TN by 4%
    1924: Davis (D) loses WV by 5%
    1944: Dewey (R) loses NY by 5%
    1872: Greeley (Liberal) loses NY by 6%
    1936: Landon (R) loses KS by 8%
    1972: McGovern (D) loses SD by 8%
    1860: Breckenridge (D) loses KY by 9%
    1952: Stevenson (D) loses IL by 10%
    1904: Parker (D) loses NY by 11%
    1916: Wilson (D) loses NJ by 11%
    1912: Taft (R) loses OH by 14%
    1912: Roosevelt (Progressive) loses NY by 16%
    1932: Hoover (R) loses IA by 18%
    1920: Cox (D) loses OH by 19%
    1956: Stevenson (D) loses IL by 19%
    2012: Romney (R) loses MA by 23%
    1856: Fremont (R) loses CA by 29%

    Ironically, 1856 was the first year that the Republican Party would run a candidate in a national election.  So by that logic, maybe 2012 will be the last? Lol.

  •  DRA has 2013 districts up! (1+ / 0-)
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    is anyone else ridiculously excited?

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  Question to any Utah Kossacks (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't know how this would work, but could we form some sort of progressive/moderate talent seeking group? A group devoted to finding quality candidates to run against the Utah Republicans, wherever we might have a chance of winning, regardless of whether an election may be in "safe territory" or not?

    I see part of the problem with the sad state of the Utah Democrats being the lack of quality, inspiring candidates. Looking at the polls, Utahns want government to do something to improve air quality, they want better education funding even at the cost of higher taxes, they DO NOT want school vouchers, anti-corruption reforms a (slim) majority of young people want state anti-discrimination legislation, and many people want more renewable energy development in Utah. All of which Utah Democrats support. We need articulate, strong candidates to explain to people that the Republicans aren't giving them what they want.

    And the Utah Democratic Party doesn't seem to be interested in searching for those kinds of candidates.

    Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

    by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:49:26 PM PST

    •  I'm not sure how many Utahn DKE regulars (1+ / 0-)
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      there are. Although there are probably some on the broader DK site.

    •  I'm not from Utah (3+ / 0-)
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      and I'm sure you probably know more about your local politics than I do.  But I think Matheson will probably run for Governor at some point, maybe when there's an open seat (2016?).  Having a successful Democratic governor in the state would be one of the best ways to raise the profile of the state Democratic party and get more local Democrats elected.

      •  Yes, the next gubernatorial election will be 2016. (2+ / 0-)
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        And Matheson running for governor is exactly what I'd be happy with; he'd have a decent chance at winning (polls showed him dead even or winning against Herbert in 2012), his name recognition would pull interest into the race, and his relative popularity would raise the profile of local Democrats. Plus, as Governor, he'd have a lot more power to be centrist, instead of conservative. I would be very happy with him if he won even a single term as governor.

        Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

        by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:41:39 PM PST

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        •  do Republicans have (1+ / 0-)
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          veto-proof majorities in the legislature, though?  I assume so.

          ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

          by James Allen on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:49:17 PM PST

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          •  Easily so, but (1+ / 0-)
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            Matheson is smart enough to use Republican votes/words against them (see Mia Love for a good example), so he could probably hammer some deal out that could be better than what a Republican Governor would sign.

            And again, the psychological impact of having a Democrat as Governor for the first time in 30 years would be tremendous. Much more than the impact of having one Democratic Congressman.

            Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

            by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:57:56 PM PST

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            •  It's a calculated risk he should measure well. (2+ / 0-)
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              2016 won't have Romney or another Mormon Republican on the national ticket so there won't be amped-up excitement in Utah, but it's still a risk as he could end up with nothing very easily if he tries to run for Governor instead of for Congress.  He should poll very carefully first, of course.

              "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

              by KingofSpades on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:19:07 PM PST

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              •  Of course, but PPP had a poll in 2011... (1+ / 0-)
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                that basically said that Herbert led Matheson only within the margin of error: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...

                And remember, PPP was a very good pollster this last time around. Though Herbert might have improved in his favorables since then. And there's the (slim) chance that Herbert might not even run in 2016. Then there might be the chance of a wounding GOP primary that exposes fringey views to the public. Even Utahns have a limit when it comes to the far-right.

                But going back to my original point, we need more candidates in Utah with the popularity of Matheson, which is why there needs to be some form of recruitment. Possibly by the netroots.

                Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

                by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:08:56 PM PST

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                •  What are Utahns limits on the right? (0+ / 0-)

                  An extreme candidate had no trouble winning a US Senate seat, correct? It's undeniable that there have been moderate Republican governors in your state, but which election demonstrates that a tea partier can be defeated by a Democrat in a statewide race in Utah?

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                  by MichaelNY on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:13:01 PM PST

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                  •  Mia Love is the limit, apparently. (0+ / 0-)

                    While Mike Lee is extreme and is definitely a Tea Partier, it was also 2010, at the high point of far-right power. He probably wouldn't have won against Bob Bennett or Tim Bridgewater (the second-place guy, Bennett was third) if it wasn't 2010.

                    Mia Love was supposed to be elected as a Tea Party footsoldier (probably intended for higher office), and she lost. And keep in mind that Mia Love had Republican opponents at the Utah convention; there were wackos like Carl Wimmer, who were rejected partially because they were further-right than she was.

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                    by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:35:59 PM PST

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                    •  Mia Love may not be the limit (1+ / 0-)
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                      She lost against Matheson in the Salt Lake City area, not statewide. Also, it's been speculated that unfortunately, part of what led to her narrow loss was her color.

                      I sort of knew you'd bring up 2010, but please name a Democrat you think could have beaten Lee. The issue isn't who the Republicans pick at their convention but whether they can pick anyone who's so far right, they'll lose a state-wide race to a Democrat. When is the last time a Democrat won a state-wide race in Utah?

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                      by MichaelNY on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:57:29 PM PST

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                  •  Through redistricting (7+ / 0-)

                    Matheson has represented Salt Lake City from 2001-2003, southern Salt Lake County, American Fork (Utah County), rural Eastern Utah, and St. George from 2003-2013, and now western parts of Salt Lake and Utah Counties in his new district.  He's probably represented more than half of the state in his time in Congress, combine that with the popular Matheson name which is recognized across all of Utah.

                    His new district is not typical of one that would elect a Blue Dog Democrat.  It's Western, suburban, and full of middle-to-upper class families that moved to Utah from Southern California.  Matheson's ability to survive there against an extremely well funded opponent means he's just that good of a politician.

                    Speaking of that extremely well funded opponent.  Democrats everywhere seriously owe Matheson HUGE for beating her.  Mia Love's loss was one of the most crushing blows to Republicans in 2012.  I'm not saying that because I'm afraid Mia Love would inspire mass numbers of African Americans to become Republicans (I'm not) - but because it would be so annoying to see her in front of every friggin camera Republicans can find.

                    •  Your last paragraph (3+ / 0-)
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                      is what makes me always root for the white male Republican over the minority or female primary alternatives if they're relatively just as conservative. It's great to see Democrats be far more representative of the demographic make up of the country than Republicans.

                      •  Agreed (2+ / 0-)
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                        Now they're stuck with Marco Rubio as their poster-child minority, who has the sound and appearance of a white male.

                      •  I'd normally agree (1+ / 0-)
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                        but in the case of UT-04, you really wanted Mia Love to win, because like any Utah Republican, Carl Wimmer had a chance at winning once he got past the primary, and he was an outright lunatic. Like a white Allen West whose political fame comes from writing a bill that would basically criminalize miscarriages (google "Carl Wimmer miscarriage") and running around the state Capitol carrying a gun. Oh, and lying about getting a job with the Nevada GOP.

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                        by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:58:35 PM PST

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                        •  I thought Wimmer was polling as bad or worse (3+ / 0-)
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                          than Love.  And he had a bunch more crazy stuff that Matheson could use against him to frighten the suburbanites.  Mia Love was more of a threat as she was a suburban mayor with a story to tell and the Republicans were drooling to have the chance to tout her.  Once Mia Love managed to win the convention, there was a brief radio silence, then they were making her a high-notice speaker at the RNC.  I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it was solely because of her race.  Fat chance we'd see Carl Wimmer speak at the RNC.

                          I remember some of us quaking in our boots over the thought of her surging to victory.  wwmiv was moved by a video she put out where she equates freedom with the LDS concept of agency.

                          Yes, Wimmer would have been the better Republican as he was extreme and the Republicans weren't going to put him on a pedestal.

                          "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

                          by KingofSpades on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:18:06 PM PST

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                          •  Point taken (2+ / 0-)
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                            Wimmer was the easier candidate to beat, but because of the gerrymandering it seemed possible that anyone could beat Matheson. Before we remembered that Matheson is one of the best campaigners alive, a lot of people panicked over Carl Wimmer because they thought that the Utah GOP wouldn't pick Mia Love (she also filed later than the rest of those gaggle of fringe crazies, so that was also a factor). Of course, those same people forgot the modern GOP's obsession with pushing far-right minority candidates. Though this was before I even knew about Daily Kos, so I have no idea about your thoughts on it.

                            As for the "freedom=agency" bit, yeah, a lot of Mormons believe that, and it's a core belief of the LDS libertarian groups (a surprisingly sizable group). They like to equate "big government" with Satan, no joke. I'm pretty sure they played a small role in electing Jim Matheson, since the unknown Libertarian candidate got a few thousand votes while Matheson only won by 750.

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                            by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:36:25 PM PST

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                          •  ... (1+ / 0-)
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                            I wasn't exactly moved by it, but I was very impressed by the huge dog whistling going on in that video that outsiders would never catch.

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                            by wwmiv on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:41:06 PM PST

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                          •  That's what I meant (1+ / 0-)
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                            I should have said you were impressed by the message's coded power.

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                            by KingofSpades on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:55:53 PM PST

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                    •  Yeah, kudos to Matheson for beating Mia Love. (2+ / 0-)
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                      That is literally the one thing I'll credit Matheson on. He keeps beating the fringey Republicans that the Utah GOP throws at him.

                      From what I can recall of the last election, Matheson went from a 12-point deficit to a squeaker of a win (though that was through a local pollster, and local pollsters were terrible that year), so he's definitely able to pull out a win from a clear-seeming defeat. I think he could pull off a gubernatorial run, but he'd have the most trouble in Northern Utah, which he has never represented.

                      Good analysis in any case.

                      Also I actually forgot that, in 2012, voters rejected Mike Lee-esque (except worse) Dan Lilenquist (not even Utahns know how to spell his name) in favor of "moderate" Orrin Hatch, so that's further proof that even Utahns have limits.

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                      by Gygaxian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:54:40 PM PST

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                    •  its the other half he's gotta worry about. (0+ / 0-)

                      ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                      by James Allen on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:04:58 PM PST

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                    •  Yeah, Matheson's district (3+ / 0-)
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                      was mostly new to him and had a bunch of new suburbanites, and he still won them over.  And yes, her losing was great news as we'd have to hear about her ab nauseum.  Hence why I give Matheson so much leeway.

                      "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

                      by KingofSpades on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:10:59 PM PST

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  •  CO-06: Rep. Mike Coffman says he now supports (2+ / 0-)
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    a permanent legal status for undocumented adults, and US citizenship for the children of undocumented adults.

    Coffman said his change of heart was due to talking with families in his district. My guess is his new, more moderate district was a factor as well.  He also seems to be undecided on the issue of US Citizenship for undocumented adults.

    Politically, I dont see much of a victory for the GOP, if they block undocumented immigrants from ever getting US citizenship.

    It keeps the immigration reform issue alive, by allowing Dems to run on the citizenship issue in 2016, while also giving Dems some accomplishments to run on(DREAM and permanent legal status for undocumented adults).

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  •  Tommorrow marks 2 years... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...since Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker "dropped the bomb" on working-class Wisconsinites. I'm going to predict that a virtually-unknown Democrat who has never even run for public office before will use this opportunity to announce his or her intention to mount a 2014 WI-Gov run.

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    by DownstateDemocrat on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:25:20 PM PST

    •  And I'll make the prediction (8+ / 0-)

      that said virtually-unknown Democrat will get 0.01% in the primary.

      •  Your prediction is dependent upon mine... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...being correct, but there is no way that a complete nobody is going to win a Democratic primary for Governor of Wisconsin unless no credible Democrat runs, which is highly unlikely.

        I'll predict that said virtually-unknown Democrat will either get somewhere between 2% and 5% of the vote or drop out once a first-tier or second-tier Wisconsin Democrat enters the race.

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        by DownstateDemocrat on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:24:21 PM PST

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        •  You didn't get it (3+ / 0-)
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          n/t

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          by wwmiv on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:35:08 PM PST

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          •  Scratch what I said earlier (0+ / 0-)

            Apparently, Wisconsin progressive blogger Chris Liebenthal is reporting that Milwaukee County Executive Chris Abele may be considering a WI-Gov (2014) or WI-Sen (2016) run. Abele is a big-time player in Wisconsin poltics, however, I absolutely despise him and he will NOT get my vocal support if he runs in a statewide race in Wisconsin. If I were running against Abele in a statewide Democratic primary, I'd do everything to get the endorsement of Milwaukee County Board Chairwoman Marina Dimitrijevic (not too sure how to pronounce that name), as she's notorious for criticizing Abele from the left.

            If Abele does go through with a WI-Gov run, though, I highly doubt he'd announce tomorrow, though.

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            by DownstateDemocrat on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:11:12 PM PST

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            •  Abele is just fine... (0+ / 0-)

              And just fyi, the last name is pronounced Di-mi-tri-ye-vic.

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              by wwmiv on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:14:12 PM PST

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              •  By which I mean ideologically (0+ / 0-)

                He's a scumbag personally apparently, but that's not something you criticize from the left or right.

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                by wwmiv on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:16:06 PM PST

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              •  There's already serious allegations... (0+ / 0-)

                ...of corruption in Abele's administration. He'd be the greatest gift to conservatives if he got elected Governor of Wisconsin, as a John Doe probe would probably be opened up against Abele before he's even sworn in as governor.

                Read the blog post that I linked to above. That gives you a general idea of the type of politics that Abele engages in.

                Chris Abele is corrupt, and Wisconsin already has a crook in its governor's mansion.

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                by DownstateDemocrat on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:24:43 PM PST

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                •  Is it bad? (0+ / 0-)

                  Or is it minor?

                  "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

                  by KingofSpades on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:58:27 PM PST

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                  •  Pretty bad (1+ / 0-)
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                    Here's why there are allegations of corruption in Abele's administration:

                    At the end of 2011, as people were gearing up for the spring elections, Chris Abele sicced his Director of Administration, Patrick Farley, on Johnny Thomas, a former county supervisor who was running to be the comptroller for the City of Milwaukee. Farley did his damnedest to get Thomas framed for taking bribe money.

                    Abele was so proud of his henchman that he touted Farley's actions every chance he got, including in his 2012 inaugural speech.

                    Given all this, it was not surprising that the Milwaukee County Board of Supervisors balked at confirming Farley to continue to serve the county in his Director of Administration.

                    Abele then started campaigning hard on his crony's behalf. There were email blasts, ads, letters to the editor and a Facebook page to get Farley reinstated. Eventually, against their better judgement, the Board eventually did confirm Farley.

                    But then came a snag for Abele and Farley

                    Thomas was acquitted. The case was so weak and Farley's attempt at entrapment was so obvious that it only took the jury an hour to clear Thomas.

                    Farley's credibility was shot. His own testimony was so damning that there were calls for Farley to resign or be fired.

                    Basically, Abele sicced his Director of Administration, Patrick Farley, on Johnny Thomas, a former Milwaukee County Supervisor, and tried to frame Thomas as a crook, but a jury of Thomas's peers didn't buy Farley's attempt to entrap Thomas.

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                    by DownstateDemocrat on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:13:47 AM PST

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  •  How about Vatican-Pope? (3+ / 0-)
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