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MA-Gov: A big development in the nascent Massachusetts Democratic gubernatorial primary: Lt. Gov. Tim Murray, who likely would have been a front-runner to replace Deval Patrick, has decided against a bid and in fact says he won't seek any statewide office in 2014. Not only will Murray's absence change the contours of whatever field of candidates ultimately emerges, but it also raises the question of what Patrick will do, since he said in response to the news that he would have been "all in" for Murray had he opted to run.

In any event, with Murray out of the picture, that leaves state Treasurer Steve Grossman as the most prominent potential candidate, though he's far from the only name out there. Former Medicare administrator Donald Berwick and state Sen. Dan Wolf are also publicly considering the race, and AG Martha Coakley has refused to answer questions about her intentions. (For an exhaustive list, check Wikipedia.) Clinical research company executive Joseph Avellone is the only declared candidate so far, but he's sure to be joined by others.


AR-Sen: According to an unnamed, unquoted source, The Hotline's Josh Kraushaar reports that GOP Lt. Gov. Mark Darr will announce a statewide bid in April... but for Senate, not governor. Darr was first elected LG two years ago, and scarcely six months later, he was already publicly mooting a gubernatorial bid. But it seems like the Republican establishment is prepared to rally around ex-Rep. Asa Hutchinson for that open seat, so Darr—who at least initially did not deny the report—may figure he has a better shot at securing the nomination against Dem Sen. Mark Pryor.

Darr had never run for office prior to 2010, and I don't know how much credit he deserved for winning an open lieutenant governor's seat in Arkansas during a red tidal wave—particularly since he only eked out a two-point victory. Kraushaar also cites nameless local "Republican operatives" who are "skeptical that he'll be able to raise enough money" against Pryor, so he may or may not prove to be a top-tier get for the GOP.

GA-Sen: Well, I'm usually a fan of the concept in theory, but sometimes draft movements can backfire. At the very least, a Facebook page designed to inspire conservative state Sen. Barry Loudermilk to run against Sen. Saxby Chambliss in next year's GOP primary inspired local reporter and analyst Jim Galloway to ask Loudermilk if he had any plans to do so. (Getting the news media to take notice of a draft effort is always step one.) But Loudermilk threw cold water on the idea, saying "that is not in any goal that I have"—and noted that "there are only about 70 people" on the Facebook page in question. So yeah, make sure your draft petition has a legit number of signatories before you try pushing your draftee.


TX-Gov: I never expected San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, just 38 years old and considered a proverbial "rising star" for a decade, to run for governor in 2014, and indeed, he won't: Castro says he'll seek re-election as mayor. He probably would have been the Democratic Party's most attractive candidate, but the odds against him would have been long, and I'm sure he conducted some polling to confirm that. Some day, though, I expect we'll see him try to make what Walt Frazier (if he were a political pundit instead of an NBA color commentator) would call the "quantum leap" to statewide office.


GA-12: In a district as conservative as Georgia's 12th, I have to wonder if this effort will actually have the opposite of its intended effect. A group called the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence has released a minute-long ad attacking Dem Rep. John Barrow for standing opposed to Barack Obama's new gun safety efforts. The spot splices together footage of news coverage of the Sandy Hook massacre along with clips from a campaign ad Barrow ran last year touting his support for guns. (In his original ad, Barrow is shown handling a pair of weapons that purportedly belonged to family members and concludes: "Ain't nobody gonna take `em away.")

Thing is, the ad is a minute long, which is quite unusual in almost all walks of life outside of infomercials. And predictably, there's no word on the size of the buy. As I say, I'm very skeptical that this or any other attempt would get Barrow to change his mind on guns: If he did, he'd almost certainly never get re-elected, so this may not be money well spent by the CSGV, unless they are playing some sort of deep game I'm not privy to.

TN-05: This is something I'm glad to see: Politico's Charlie Mahtesian (one of my favorite political analysts) has taken notice of Daily Kos Elections' recent hell-raising about Dem Rep. Jim Cooper's vote against badly-needed federal disaster relief funds for victims of Hurricane Sandy. Mahtesian also reminds us that Cooper's been notoriously stingy about paying his DCCC dues, and of course, just the other week, he refused to vote for Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the House. He concludes:

There isn't much hard evidence yet of deep Democratic unrest in his district, but it's worth remembering the progressive Netroots has a capacity for online fundraising that could easily prop up a primary challenger—and no love for the increasingly isolated Blue Dogs.
I agree that we haven't yet seen a local groundswell of movement against Cooper, but entrenched incumbents who grow isolated from political realities have a way of getting surprised by fast-moving events that are beyond their control. Certainly, I don't think Al Wynn ever saw it coming.    And as far as any ability the progressive netroots might have to play a role here, what I think matters much more is whether there's an organic effort from within Cooper's district to get rid of him. If the folks who actually get to vote in Tennessee's 5th rally around someone capable of taking on Cooper, we'll be there to help.

SC-01: If you've been wondering where the Democrats are, in the special election to replace Tim Scott, all of a sudden we've got two of them. Neither one has held office before, but one has money and the other has name rec of sorts. Dem #1 is businessman Martin Skelly; it's unclear whether he has any political connections but he is promising to put $250K of his own money into the run.

Meanwhile, Dem #2 is Elizabeth Colbert-Busch, an executive at a Charleston-area affiliate of Clemson University. If the name sounds familiar, yes, she's the sister of a famous former resident of the district: Stephen Colbert (though she pronounces the last name with a hard "t"). I can't imagine that he'd get involved, but let's wait and see if Colbert-Busch's brother will rev his recently-disbanded PAC back up, to help a candidate for real this time.

Oh, and on the Republican side, in case you were wondering how long Mark Sanford could be a candidate before embarrassing himself, the answer appears to be approximately two days. Thursday he rather grandiosely referred to himself as a "wounded warrior" in reference to his self-inflicted peccadilo-related damage, a remark he found himself apologizing for on Friday. (David Jarman)

Other Races:

NY-St. Sen: Winner winner chicken dinner! In a huge reversal of fortune, Democrat Cecilia Tkaczyk has unofficially won her race in New York's 46th Senate District and has declared victory with what is currently a 19-vote lead over Republican George Amedore. After a recount and ballot challenges, Amedore led by about 35 votes and was even certified as the winner, but Cece (as she's known) succeeded in getting just enough unopened ballots counted on appeal, and it sounds like Amedore is about to give up the fight.

What's particularly sweet about this win is that SD-46 is actually the new 63rd seat that Republicans controversially added to the new Senate map last year, in an attempt to wring out yet one more gerrymandered district. So picking up a seat deliberately drawn to favor the GOP is just gravy. But perhaps the best comment comes from sacman701, who points out that Tkaczyk's margin of victory (19) is less than the value of her last name in Scrabble (29). But this win is even sweeter than a triple word score!

Of course, Tkaczyk's win, while wonderful in its own right, doesn't actually change anything. While 33 human beings running with (D)s after their names on the ballot won Senate seats in November versus just 30 (R)s, Republicans are firmly in control of the chamber. One conservative Democratic freshman, Simcha Felder of Brooklyn, outright caucused with Republicans shortly after winning office, but another five Democrats—members of the so-called "Independent Democratic Conference"—went straight-out renegade and sided with the GOP not for reasons of ideology but simply to accrue power to themselves.

Their leader is Jeff Klein, who now shares the gavel with Republican honcho Dean Skelos, but you should mark the names of his confederates well: Diane Savino, David Carlucci, David Valesky, and Malcolm Smith. This bloc, plus Felder, effectively gives the GOP 36 votes to retain control, but I have a hard time imagining Klein looking good two years from now. This new junta is already off to a poor start: Check out the utter shitshow that devolved during the recent vote on new gun control legislation: No one knew whether Klein or Skelos was actually in charge.

And even if Klein somehow comes out smelling like roses (which would be a first in Albany), he and the entire IDC all deserve primary challenges. I'm not holding out much hope—the original gang of four (minus Smith) all got custom-drawn districts last year thanks to their friends in the GOP—but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

Grab Bag:

Polltopia: Heh. USA Today and Gallup are ending their partnership after 20 years, following Gallup's disastrous performance during the 2012 elections (though of course USA Today isn't offering that as a reason). Aaron Blake takes the opportunity to remind us of another news outlet which also gave Gallup the boot a few years ago:

In 2006, Gallup parted ways with CNN in a pretty messy split. Gallup cited the network's "low ratings," while CNN called the assertion "unprofessional" and "untrue."
USA Today's divorce is publicly a lot cleaner (even if we don't know who initiated the proceedings), but even casual poll watchers know how badly Gallup screwed the pooch last year.

WATN?: A former New Orleans elected official, under indictment for corruption? Unpossible! But according to federal prosecutors, Democrat Ray Nagin, who served as mayor from 2002 to 2010, allegedly accepted cash bribes (!) from city contractors, and so they've charged him with 21 counts of corruption, including wire fraud, money laundering, and a whole bunch more. But whaddya know: It turns out Nagin is actually the first NOLA mayor ever to be indicted by a grand jury on these kinds of charges.

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  •  NYS Senate win for Tkaczyk (pronounced cat-check) (22+ / 0-)

    Was made possible against very steep odds in large part due to the hard fought ground game of the Working Families Party. I live and vote in that district. I can tell you the volunteers from the W.F.P. were the ones calling me and really involved in this race. ( including the primary ) Sadly the Albany NY area Democratic party machine was ready to give up on this new gerrymandered "R" district.

  •  I Hope (6+ / 0-)

    that someone... anyone... other than Coakley will be the Dem nominee in Mass.  That Fells Acre mess should have ended her political career long since.

    Eat, drink, and be fat and drunk.

    by Ref on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 06:24:36 AM PST

  •  Murray has done the right thing (5+ / 0-)

    Dems need a high profile candidate (sorry, someone with higher positive name recognition than Steve Grossman) in order to dissuade Scott Brown from running for Governor

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 06:35:42 AM PST

    •  The problem is (6+ / 0-)

      Brown is pretty much the only high profile Republican in the state. He won't have any problem in a primary. Dems need a united front in a race against him, not a bruising primary season that will leave a large portion of the party disaffected.

      •  exactly (2+ / 0-)
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        Nautical Knots, MichaelNY

        in all seriousness,  Brown has a better chance at the governorship than in a return to the Senate.

        I am much more worried about him running for governor, a job he could keep for a while and do lasting damage to the Commonwealth.

        Ds need to get their ducks in a row fast, so Murray clearing out is a positive step.

        Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
        Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

        by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:12:11 AM PST

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        •  I dont think he will run for Senate either (4+ / 0-)

          He stands to hold a much more powerful office running for governor than as junior senator for a partial term. Kerry's seat is up in 2014, and he would have to run AGAIN. 4 Senate races in 5 years is a lot.

          •  right. i am not worried about the Senate seat (1+ / 0-)
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            the people advising Brown want to get him in an office he can keep for a while and Rs in Massachusetts know they don't have anybody else.

            Our only saving grace might be that the last time Massachusetts Rs did this to us we ended up with Rmoney and he left a bad taste in people's mouths, so perhaps the state is not ready for another R governor.

            Patrick raising the income tax (and lowering the sales tax) gives the Rs a tax hammer to wield, but with the right D candidate we can get past that.

            Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
            Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

            by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:52:59 AM PST

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            •  The state GOP knows their only shot at getting (3+ / 0-)
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              anything they want done is to get a governor elected. They will never get enough seats in the legislature to be relevant in any lawmaking. They want Brown to run for governor, not Senate. And if Brown is smart, he would pass on the Senate seat too. He doesn't have the mystique of being Senator 41 to stop the democrats from doing anything, which was really his claim to fame. And there is no functional difference between a 55-45 D Senate and a 54-46 D Senate.

  •  Wonder how that affects Scott Brown's plans? (0+ / 0-)

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 06:40:55 AM PST

  •  What about Virginia? (0+ / 0-)

    I read this morning that there has been a MAJOR Gerrymandering power grab while one of their Democratic State Senators was in Washington for the Innaguration.

    I don't see anything yet about it on DailyKos.

    -6.13 -4.4 Where are you? Take the Test!!!

    by MarciaJ720 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 06:51:33 AM PST

  •  Please, not Martha Coakley (3+ / 0-)
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    If she couldn't be bothered to campaign last time around, would she campaign this time?  Mary Sue Terry, one-time AG of Virginia, ran a lacklustre campaign in her day, thereby losing a chance to be Virginia's first woman governor.  She was a Dem., too.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 06:53:35 AM PST

  •  Ray Nagin is doing to LA Dems what Former (3+ / 0-)
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    Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick (Det.) did to MI Dems in 2010.  The corruption poison spread like the smell of burning sulfur.  Not saying Nagin is guilty because he gets his due process, but the taint of 21 counts is strong enough to affect the judgment of the few, the proud, in the center in LA.

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    by judyms9 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 06:55:18 AM PST

    •  I don't think Kwame Kilpatrick had any real effect (5+ / 0-)
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      on the 2010 Michigan Statewide races.  He's the mayor of Detroit and Detroit districts re-elected the same old, same old and voted the same way they usually do.  Michigan went hard right because of the economy) Michigan was hit harder than most) and too many Dems thinking only Presidential elections matter.  

      If Louisiana can re-elect Vitter, I don't think something a Mayor did will bleed into other races.  Landrieu name is solid there unless there is a direct connection to Nagin somehow.  

      "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness" -Annie Savoy (Bull Durham)

      by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:06:09 AM PST

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      •  Kwame's been kicked out of office (2+ / 0-)
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        and living in his mama's basement since she got kicked out of her Congressional seat:

        Okay, maybe not in his mama's basement, but he's out of politics as well as out of jail.  Sounds like Nagin's going to be heading for a gray-bar hotel suite himself.

        "Washington, DC: Where Corruption is Rewarded, and Ethical Merit is DESPISED.

        by The Truth on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:21:22 AM PST

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        •  Kwame is currently on trial, fed indictment... (1+ / 0-)
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          for corruption as well.  

          I will give you that Cheeks-Kilpatrick was probably effected by her son's dirty dealings.  But the seat stayed hard blue.  

          "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness" -Annie Savoy (Bull Durham)

          by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 07:31:39 AM PST

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    •  Katrina in general killed LA Dems (1+ / 0-)
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      There was a general sense that the governor & mayor had no clue what the fuck to do, FEMA wasn't helping, everybody was just running around doing their own things.

      There's a reason Blanco didn't run for a second term.

  •  regarding the NY State Senate (3+ / 0-)
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    ...and those members of the Independent Democratic Caucus (IDC): One of those folks, Dave Valeksy, is from Central New York State, near Syracuse, and is highly unlikely to get a primary challenger of any note. He is very popular and represents a pretty moderate district. He's really not bad on the issues. He supports most of the key progressive issues (increase in minimum wage, campaign finance reform, women's rights legislation). His big bone of contention is that the Democratic Party in the Senate (and the state as a whole for that matter) has so much representation from New York City that it often ignores to the interests of upstate. His primary motivation seems to be to ensure that upstate Democrats have power, as well. If nothing else, he has helped to achieve that by, coincidentally, including himself in the power-sharing deal with Republicans.

    •  Agree 100% (2+ / 0-)
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      I get annoyed by the knee jerk depictions of the IDC here.  Senate Dems need to shape, they are the ones that can't hold the caucus together.  Dave Valesky is probably my favorite politician.

      There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

      by slothlax on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 09:53:56 AM PST

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    •  I'm not sympathetic to this argument (1+ / 0-)
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      His big bone of contention is that the Democratic Party in the Senate (and the state as a whole for that matter) has so much representation from New York City that it often ignores to the interests of upstate.
      New York City has gotten systematically shafted by the Senate for decades. It's even been documented by the courts, how much funding for schools in Harlem and other poor New York City neighborhoods was not disbursed because of what should be called out as institutional racism by the Republican-controlled Senate. So if those are the kinds of policies Valesky wants to associate himself with, I call him out, too, as being full of crap.

      Tell me where I'm wrong. I'll listen.

      Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

      by MichaelNY on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 02:02:29 PM PST

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      •  me, either... (1+ / 0-)
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        MichaelNY not particularly sympathetic (nor happy with) that argument either...but that's, essentially, Valesky's position...not so much based on people's perceptions of whether downstate or upstate has been "shafted" by the other in the past (both sides could probably make arguments to bolster their case),  but, rather, Valesky seems to me want more upstate representation in senate leadership, which he, apparently, believes he's more likely to get with a coalition with Republicans than Democratic control (once again...that's not my's his)

  •  NYC is not NYS (0+ / 0-)

    I'm totally cool with the IDC.  If someone is stupid enough to primary Valesky I will immediately volunteer for the Valesky campaign, even though I'm the next SD over.  I refuse to blame politicians who seek power, that's the whole point.  If the NYC Democrats had their act together this situation would have been avoided.

    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

    by slothlax on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 09:48:32 AM PST

    •  what situation? (1+ / 0-)
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      a Republican majority in the NY state senate despite a majority of elected senators being Democrats?

      Living in Kyoto-06 (Japan), voting in RI-01, went to college in IL-01.

      by sapelcovits on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 01:34:39 AM PST

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      •  Yes, that situation (0+ / 0-)

        This would not be happening if the NYC Senate Democrats weren't such a mess.  Valesky is a solid progressive voice, so this isn't an ideological move on his part.  If he feels Upstate won't get the hearing we deserve in a Democratic Senate, then I support what he is doing.

        He is not vulnerable to a primary on this.  The Democrats need Upstate seats to have a majority.  So the Senate Democrats had better get their act together and figure out how they can allay his concerns.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 12:19:51 PM PST

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        •  What's the use in their winning more seats (0+ / 0-)

          Upstate if schmucks like Valesky think their sectional fight against New York City is more important than their party? You're putting the shoe on the wrong foot, and I don't think you're gonna get many takers. I know that some cities Upstate have also gotten shafted (after all, the Republicans have generally favored the rich over the poor to a greater extent than the Democrats), but New York City is about half the population of the state, and if you add close-in suburbs like Westchester and Long Island, we have a clear majority, yet we've gotten grossly and demonstratedly shafted by the Upstate Republicans. Your support for Democratic infighting on this basis isn't going to get a lot of support on this site, so I would suggest you consider taking it elsewhere.

          Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

          by MichaelNY on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 01:06:48 PM PST

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          •  Holy freaking Christ (0+ / 0-)
            ...if schmucks like Valesky think their sectional fight against New York City is more important than their party?
            That's the point of representation.  He didn't get elected by the Democratic Party, he certainly didn't get elected by NYC, he got elected by the voters in his district.  You are damn right he puts the interests of his district before the interests of his party.  That's why he's taken a Republican seat he only won because the Conservative Party split the vote in 2004 and gotten to the point where he didn't even have a Republican opponent in the last election, because people know he's not just a tool of NYC politicians.  Which is what you are suggesting he should be.

            There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

            by slothlax on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 03:11:54 PM PST

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            •  I'm suggesting that a Democrat (0+ / 0-)

              should caucus with the Democrats. And I don't think that Upstate cities will get shafted by the Democratic Party.

              Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

              by MichaelNY on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:27:41 PM PST

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              •  Ok (0+ / 0-)

                What would a NY Senate under full Democratic control do that this Senate won't?  What's the big progressive issue that won't get through this Senate, but will get signed by the governor?

                There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                by slothlax on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 02:26:45 AM PST

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                •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

                  But the track record of the Republicans is that they shaft New York City, and your argument seems to be that the split is in significant part a parochial one over which part of the state gets more funding. I actually don't agree. I think this is purely about a few Democrats feeling more personally powerful by joining with the Republicans. But a byproduct is likely to be that New York City does worse, and that will be bad for the poor people here, with this city as always paying way more in taxes than it gets back from Albany in services.

                  Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                  by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 02:57:08 AM PST

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                  •  I'm not unsympathetic (0+ / 0-)

                    I hear what you are saying.  But Valesky is not a Republican.  I trust his motives and think we should wait and see what this session brings.  The arrangement as I have read so far seems pretty sweet for our side.  Governor, Assembly, and half the Senate is not really that bad.

                    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                    by slothlax on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 03:12:54 AM PST

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                    •  I'm willing to judge the Senate (0+ / 0-)

                      by the results, but maybe you can admit two things: (1) That the previous track record of the Republican-led Senate gives me plenty of grounds to be suspicious of how New York City, and especially poorer neighborhoods and people here, will do, and (2) this isn't about whether Upstate Democrats are in positions of leadership or not; it's about a motley crew of ideologically heterogeneous Democrats who have big egos and know that they, themselves won't be in the Democratic leadership. Though I would make somewhat of an exception for the Orthodox Jewish guy (name slips my mind at the moment) who is caucusing with the Republicans only because they are more likely to try to get around Constitutional prohibitions on the establishment of religion and fund yeshivot in his district.

                      Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                      by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 03:45:40 AM PST

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                      •  I will grant you #1 (0+ / 0-)

                        I totally see where you are coming from.

                        As far as #2, I can't speak for the other Senators, I only know Valesky.  And that was my point from the beginning, it would be a fool's errand to primary Valesky.  When he first ran it was to win the Senate for Democrats, he has the right positions on the issues, he was in the leadership when the Democrats had the majority, and he strikes me as less venal and ambitious than the average politician.  You will not convince me he is doing anything wrong here.  I like Dave Valesky.  A lot of people do.  He's not going anywhere and the answer to this impasse will involve working with him, not against him.

                        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                        by slothlax on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 04:06:36 AM PST

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          •  Let me be a bit more pragmatic (0+ / 0-)

            If the IDC didn't exist or had caucused with the Democrats, the Senate and Assembly would both be pursuing partisan agendas that would make swing districts like Valesky go back to the Republicans in no time and the GOP would be back in full control of the body.

            There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

            by slothlax on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 03:18:21 PM PST

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            •  I think you're ignoring (0+ / 0-)

              very clear voting trends in this state. The fact that the Democrats won a majority of seats in a super-gerrymandered Senate this year pretty clearly demonstrates the falsehood of your thinking here.

              Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

              by MichaelNY on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:28:57 PM PST

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              •  Maybe so (0+ / 0-)

                But I am wary of single party rule, especially one city rule over a whole state.  I'm not the only one.  The Senate renegades are trying to tell you the same thing.

                There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                by slothlax on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 02:33:01 AM PST

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                •  No they're not (0+ / 0-)

                  They're Democratic turncoats. I just think it's incredible how you are ignoring the effect of gerrymandering. Without gross gerrymandering, the Democrats would have been in the majority in the Senate for a couple of decades, probably.

                  Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                  by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 02:58:16 AM PST

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                  •  Also, I really resent your anti-New York City (0+ / 0-)

                    attitude. Every part of the state should be served well by the state government, but the history - which I remind you, was amply documented in a court case about the denial of education funds to New York City public schools - is that New York City gets shafted, and you want to continue that because of what? This is a city of over 8 million people. Try to imagine what New York State would be like without us, and think about it a little. And then think about the meaning of democracy and what "majority rule" means. Small "d" democrats believe in that. If you don't, I wonder whether you're really in the right party. Yeah, this is personal, and you made it so by advocating for defections based on chauvinism for Upstate, instead of unity among representatives of cities throughout the state.

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                    by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 03:03:32 AM PST

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                    •  Let me try to back off the anti-NYC (0+ / 0-)

                      My worry, which for me is just a worry but for many other voters up here is a motivating factor, is that NYC will completely dominate the state government.

                      I will not dispute whatever historical arguments you make about the Senate Republicans screwing NYC.  That is not the issue for me.  I am not out to screw over NYC.

                      But handing over the one lever of power Upstate has is not easy.  Can't you see that?

                      There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

                      by slothlax on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 03:51:26 AM PST

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                      •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                        I can see that because people don't like to give up power, ever. And I certainly think Upstaters need to be represented and heard. But the very fact that the capital is in Albany rankles a lot of people who live in New York City, and an irrational hatred of New York City has been part of state politics for at least decades if not longer.

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                        by MichaelNY on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 12:32:43 PM PST

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