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It's not every day that GOP defends itself by claiming to be two-faced
So far in 2013, House Speaker John Boehner has relied on Democratic votes to overcome overwhelming Republican opposition on back-to-back pieces of legislation: the Hurricane Sandy relief aid package on Tuesday night and the tax cliff deal from two weeks earlier. But if you think this proves that most Republicans have marginalized themselves and that Democrats are now an essential part of making the House function, House Majority Deputy Whip Tom Cole of Oklahoma says you're wrong. Why? Because, he says, secretly about half of Republicans who voted no actually wanted the legislation to pass:
Representative Tom Cole of Oklahoma, part of the Republican whip team responsible for marshaling support for legislation, said the current makeup of House Republicans could be divided roughly into a third who voted in favor of the bill because they wanted it to pass, a third who voted against the bill because they wanted it to fail, and a third who voted against the bill but had their fingers crossed that it would pass and avert a fiscal and political calamity.

One lawmaker, Mr. Cole said, told him that while he did not want to vote in favor of the bill, he also did not want to amend it and send it back to the Senate where it might die and leave House Republicans blamed for tax increases. “So I said, ‘What you’re really telling me is that you want it to pass, but you don’t want to vote for it,'” recalled Mr. Cole, who voted yes.

And why would a Republican vote no while secretly hoping for yes?
Ron Bonjean, a Republican strategist and once the top spokesman for the former House speaker J. Dennis Hastert, a Republican, described the phenomenon thusly: “These are people who are political realists, they’re political pragmatists who want to see progress made in Washington, but are politically constrained from making compromises because they will be challenged in the primary.”
In other words, about half of Republicans who vote with the hardline reactionary fringe aren't actually devoted wingnut true believers—they are actually just cowards, afraid of standing up to their political base. Whatever you think of the ethics of that, it's an invaluable insight for Democrats to remember as we move forward on issues like the debt limit. Take, for example, what the aforementioned Tom Cole said yesterday about the debt limit:
Congressman Cole is adamant that he will not accede to President Obama's unequivocal demand to raise it without any spending cuts tied to it.

“I couldn’t do that. I wouldn’t do that," Cole told me in a phone interview.

"We didn’t downgrade our credit [in 2011] because of the debt ceiling fight. We downgraded in my view because when we had the fight we didn’t cut enough," Cole said. "Just raising the debt ceiling with no compromise sends the wrong message—that we think we can willy-nilly go on forever."

"If there are not serious cuts, the Republican votes are not going to be there," Cole continued.

Tough talk, except this is the guy who just said half of Republicans who voted no on the tax cliff deal actually supported it. And given that Cole voted for the tax cliff deal and the  Hurricane Sandy package, it's not a shock that he might vote no on a clean debt deal, passing the responsibility to another one of his colleagues. But when you listen to a third interview with Cole, also from yesterday, it seems clear that he knows Republicans need to let the debt limit go up, no matter how he votes.
Even as Republican officials maintain the GOP majority is safe, several lawmakers and longtime activists warn of far-reaching political ramifications if voters perceive Republicans as botching consequential talks on the debt ceiling, sequestration and a possible government shutdown.

“Majorities are elected to do things, and if they become dysfunctional, the American people will change what the majority is,” Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), a House deputy majority whip and a former National Republican Congressional Committee chairman, told The Hill.

So basically we're looking at a House Republican Conference in which members want to (a) develop a voting record that protects them from primary challenges while (b) not actually having that voting record influence the final outcome, because if it does, then they worry they will lose the majority in the general election. And if that's not a golden opportunity for Democrats to put House Republicans on defense throughout the 113th Congress, then nothing is.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 08:21 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Those Republican Representatives who voted no (13+ / 0-)

    but wanted yes are stuck because their districts are too safe for Republicans and they know that it is bad for the nation. They should be encouraged to change the re-districting procedure.

    •  Along with justifiable lamenting at the (at least) (2+ / 0-)
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      eg4190, shoeless

      decade long repercussions of the 2010 election losses and subsequent goper redistricting bacchanal, there are also more and more people noting how this can be an electoral trap that Republicans will find impossible to get out of.

      As we have already seen, in order to avoid or win a primary, the gopers have to veer far, far right into the wing nut fringiest extremes of the American electorate.

      This means, at the least, going extra soft on the birthers, joining in on the NRA's and Limbaugh's attacks on the president's daughters, supporting forced pregnancy and mandatory trans vaginal probes, assault guns and 100 round drums for all, war with Iran and Syria, putting gays in jail, mandatory public (xtainist) prayer, etc.

      Okay, that was hyperbolic. But, really, it was only slightly so.

      Whatever the specifics, the extremism necessary to win primaries then makes the completely untenable in the general. State and local elections are a separate issue. But when it comes to presidential and congressional elections, the gopers might have fatally handicapped themselves for at least the next decade.

      And the further and further off the deep end they go in the rest of this potentially lost decade for them, the greater the chances that the hangover from their fringe indulgence will last well past the 2020 redistricting process.

      "I'm not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was." M Romney May 17, 2012

      by polidiscoursor on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:55:45 AM PST

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      •  The bottom line (1+ / 0-)
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        The Koch brothers, and fellow wingnut billionaires run the Republican party now.  That still doesn't excuse their Congressional puppets who dance every time their chains are jerked.

        Even Democrats can be asses. Look at Rahm Emanuel.

        by Helpless on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:10:31 AM PST

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    •  Please (0+ / 0-)

      They know what's 'important', and if it's a choice between taking an action that may destroy the country and diminishing their own power, they'll take the former every time. It's just that some of them would prefer to choose the latter, if given the choice, while some of them would prefer to do both.

      •  Er, sorry, mangled last sentence (0+ / 0-)

        It should be 'It's just that some of them would choose not to destroy the country, if they can still maintain power, while others would prefer to destroy the country, so long as they can still maintain power.'

  •  Fascinating (8+ / 0-)

    Perhaps some of them can be coaxed out of the cupboard.

    by chloris creator on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 08:31:50 AM PST

  •  Cockroaches scurrying from the light.... (7+ / 0-)

    "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

    by durrati on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 08:35:08 AM PST

  •  the ratings agency (7+ / 0-)

    said why the downgrade happened,  political dysfunction leading to no meaningful action on fiscal issues, including debt, but really more so than the specifics of what was or wasn't done,  certain unnamed political groups causing a huge game of chicken to threaten the security of the whole world.  Looking at you, Republicans.

    Following that,  the deal allowed a commission and the Congress to look at cutting spending before the automatic sequestration, and the Republicans couldn't act then either.

    So fuckwits and cowards continue to rule the Republican caucus and they still want to play chicken even inside their own caucus.  

  •  No shit Sherlock! Say it aint so, lol. (6+ / 0-)

    Surprise, surprise!  You mean they were playing politics...trying to serve the TeaPeople and Wall Street at the same time?  What a conundrum!

  •  Cowards scare me more than wingnuts (8+ / 0-)

    You just don't know when the ground is going to give beneath you when cowards are about; wingnuts, they keep themselves obvious.

  •  WTF? (5+ / 0-)
    We didn’t downgrade our credit [in 2011] because of the debt ceiling fight. We downgraded in my view because when we had the fight we didn’t cut enough,
    okay... So leaving aside the fact that ”we” didn't downgrade our credit, S&P did, did anyone bother to read the reasons that the ones who actually did downgrade us give for the actual downgrade? Namely the fact that there was a fight in the first place?

    Not that I should be remotely surprised by the fantasy world the GOP inhabit, but, still, wow...

    Sunday Afternoon Composer: Like Monday Morning Quarterbacking, with music!

    by Freelance Escapologist on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 08:52:38 AM PST

  •  If you're a Pragmatist then Kill the Hastert Rule (8+ / 0-)

    With extreme prejudice  

    As the Elites Come Together to Rise Above to Find a Third Way to do Rude things to the 99%

    by JML9999 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 08:53:47 AM PST

    •  Maybe Boehner already has (3+ / 0-)
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      for the benefit of the cowards.

      It also may help protect their majority. In marginally safe districts, a cowardly GOP member may be able to get re-elected if voters see Congress as functional while he is able to fend off a primary challenge by casting "no" votes on things that need to pass. If he votes "yes" and loses a primary to an extreme wingnut, the primary winner may be a general election loser.

      •  But they still have to own up to (0+ / 0-)

        their votes for Boehner as speaker.

        Wingnuts aren't that stupid.

      •  Thanks to redistrcting (0+ / 0-)

        No matter how most of them vote, they're safe as long as they can make it through a primary for the next 10 years. Boehner's not stupid, and he knows that if the House GOP continues to just say no to everything, all of his low hanging fruit will be gone in 2014, and he doesnt have a lot of room to spare to keep his gavel. He has to do something to improve people's perceptions of congress.

  •  How can they look at themselves in the mirror? (2+ / 0-)
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    Vote4Obamain2012, dagnome

    It is so important that I have a seat where I cannot do the right thing because I won't have a seat anymore.  Or, my economic well being is what is really important.

  •  If Boehner continues to ignore the (7+ / 0-)

    Hastert Rule, then maybe he's doing his party a favor by providing political cover to those who are "no but hope it passes" crowd.

    The Democrats must find a way to capitalize if the Hastert Rule gets thrown aside.

    The most violent element in society is ignorance.

    by Mr MadAsHell on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:01:23 AM PST

    •  The Hastert Rule is probably already dead (1+ / 0-)
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      Mr MadAsHell

      for fiscal issues, at least for the next few months. The House HAS to vote on something. They have no other options. He can have his show votes first where all the Republicans can vote for some poison pill legislation they can wave around in their districts on recess, but at the end of the day, he's going to be passing bills with Democrats and a rump of his own caucus. The other option is electoral suicide for Republicans. Boehner has to be looking at this situation and see hints of Gingrich's demise. He doesn't want to be the next Speaker to have his head handed to him.

  •  Neat. (2+ / 0-)
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    inclusiveheart, Vote4Obamain2012

    Another opportunity to play the age-old game of "Republican: Venal or Stupid."

    Sometimes I'm heartened by mere venality and self-interest taking the lead; other times I feel less angry about stupidity, which can't be helped.

    •  That's my take - I think that this primary threat (1+ / 0-)
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      excuse is complete and utter bullshit.

      The claim that Mitch McConnell is under threat a primary is complete and utter bullshit, but the media and too many liberals accept this bald faced lie as "truth" - so if I were one of the members of leadership in the House, I'd be trying to use the same line as cover, too.

      Those House Members who really are under significant threat from a primary challenge now from the Teahadists are still going to be just as under threat regardless of their voting records.

      Meanwhile, the Republican caucus in the House continues to screw the country, the government and their own brand with their extremism and obstruction.

  •  gee, it might just be a political thing-- (1+ / 0-)
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    making sweet love to the bigot constituency that is

    People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don't care what people think. -George Carlin

    by downtownLALife on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:01:53 AM PST

  •  Party vs. Country (4+ / 0-)

    So once again, those who voted No, but secretly wanted to vote Yes, have put their allegiance to their party and not the citizens of the country.

    Once again, members of the GOP have shown their desire to put party above country.

  •  That's a rather epic admission (10+ / 0-)

    They're literally ceding governance to the Democrats so that they can put on a show of "standing for their principals". The cowardice these people demonstrate in not being able to stand up to the histrionics of their base & actually explain what the real world ramifications of their ridiculous demands just blows my mind.

    These really are the people who should be piercing the right wing bubble yet they are afraid to even try.

    "Compassion is the radicalism of our time." ~ Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama -7.88, -6.21

    by Siri on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:04:32 AM PST

  •  No Business Being In Public Office (4+ / 0-)

    If they don't have the guts to do what they know is right then they are worse than fools.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:04:45 AM PST

  •  You reap what you sow. Republicans have been (3+ / 0-)

    disinforming and fear mongering for so long that they've convinced their entire teabagging party that the only way is the far, far wingnutty right way and that compromise is cause for primarying. You made your Fox News beds, assholes, now sleep in them.

    Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less. E.J. Dionne

    by blueyescryinintherain on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:06:52 AM PST

  •  Default on the debt (2+ / 0-)
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    Shippo1776, Vote4Obamain2012

    Will have  world wide economic consequences ,the Federal Reserve  is the major clearinghouse for money in other countries ,people  social security and other governmental payment are now in question ,think about that tax refund you will not be recieving ,because they did not raise the debt limit,Republican are very cynical by voting for Relief  Aid for Sandy victim and will not have the money in the Treasury to give victim that need assistance, maybe they voted knowing that the victim will not get paid,i am out of here for two weeks and hope their is no major event in the world ,that i need to comment on

  •  Spineless. (1+ / 0-)
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    That about sums this all up, doesn't it?

    "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin

    by Rockydog on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:10:27 AM PST

  •  So the upshot is (1+ / 0-)
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    House Repubs are going to stand aside and let the Hasert Rule wither on the vine. They'll keep up the crazy talk and let a bipartisan coalition do the heavy lifting of legislatin' the laws. Works for me. The Dems should exploit their power in this situation.

    •  Dems should make sure "the people" know (0+ / 0-)

      that it is the Democratic representatives in the House who are responsible for most of the votes that ensured passage of these recent bills.

      While Republicans fiddle about, America suffers, and the GOP/T obstructs any meaningful progress, and once again threatens our economic revival.

      Tell me again who votes these conservative  boneheads into office?

      oh - right - idiots.

      Help American return to sanity - vote the GOP OUT OF the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate in 2014 elections. America requires Democratic action in order to survive!

      by dagnome on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:51:39 AM PST

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  •  "actually just cowards" (0+ / 0-)

    If that's your definition, I don't know how many politicians avoid the label at some point or another in their careers.

    In a similar vein, how different is it from the way omnibus bills get put together, larded up with irrelevant crap?

    Members are too cowardly to vote against a bill with lots of bad crap because they don't want to be seen as against whatever the worthy title of the bill proclaims.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:12:26 AM PST

  •  scorecard (0+ / 0-)

    Why don't Democrats talk about the Dow Jones IA?  This sacred marker does better when they're in office.  It is now almost double in price from when Bush left office.  Dems are better for business--just not better for the top 1% when it comes to income taxes.  But, in the long run, the D party is obviously much better for them also.

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:12:52 AM PST

  •  Rethugs invent a new word....'AUTOHOSTAGE'.... (0+ / 0-)

    or did Cleavon Little already do that in Blazing Saddles?

    •  "Drop your spending or the country gets it" (0+ / 0-)

      This is the GOP version

      Help American return to sanity - vote the GOP OUT OF the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate in 2014 elections. America requires Democratic action in order to survive!

      by dagnome on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:52:58 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  This is the President's long game (4+ / 0-)

    Like many others, I've been impatient with the President over the last four years for his continual compromising with and appeasement of the opposition (who thank him by declaring the President is a tyrant who won't listen to them).

    But I had a vague idea early on that he was working toward something monumental. By giving Republicans every opportunity to govern like adults, only to watch them sputter, threaten, and hold their breath, the President has drawn their disfunction into public view. He has permitted their ideological vandalism to have some real and public consequences. And then he has invited them, again, to be part of a UNITED States of America. And they, again, have declined.

    It hasn't been perfect by any means. But I think the President means to put stop to know-nothing conserva-ranting. I think he has managed the public debate so that Progressive values are manifest in it, so that they are publicly explicated, so that the public is (re)introduced to them.

    And that against a background of fringe right hysteria, misanthropy, and intransigence. Unless I'm just making it up, the President set out to do more than press a Progressive agenda - he intended as well to bring the electorate with him on a journey of political discovery.

    IOW, Democrats could have punched through an even more aggressive agenda than they managed in that first year. But that would have put them (and us) well out in front of the public's understanding and sympathies. The last four years have reshaped the public idea and image of the two parties, and of certain hot issues. The President is leading them, and us, into a generation who will be comfortable with Progressive innovation. Let's remember to thank him ten years from now for President Booker's bold action on climate change. (And let's hope now it really won't be too late.)

    To My Colonoscopist

    I think that I shall never see
    so far up you as you up me.

    by shieldvulf on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:14:09 AM PST

  •  It terrifying (1+ / 0-)
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    These 'people' will let the country fail to protect their do nothing jobs.

    They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.

    by Shippo1776 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:14:35 AM PST

  •  These are our choices for Politicians (1+ / 0-)
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    Either a politician who changes their vote for political reasons, even if they prefer to vote the other way.

    Or ideological purists who make negotiation and compromise impossible.

    Neither is a very good trait to have

    Except in American Politics

  •  This is the kind of gobbledygook horseshit you get (6+ / 0-)

    when you don't really stand for anything or have any kind of vision or principles of your own, other than to do or say anything that you think will get you reelected.

    •  This^^ (2+ / 0-)
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      Hohenzollern, bunsk

      You see, I believe it has gone well beyond ideology.  There is nothing left in what the 'gop' pushes anymore that has anything to do with gop or conservative principals.  What remains is anti-.  We saw the beginnings of this with Clinton...and we now see it fully-manifest in Anti-Obama.    It's all part of the anti- package, and no twisting of principals is too tight a turn for these fools to promote their anti- agenda.

      •  Like a pitbull, the GOP has locked onto Obama (1+ / 0-)
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        and no matter WHAT rational thoughts might intervene, they are now fully in "bite" mode, and cannot, WILL not, let go - not EVER.

        In their minds, the "country" is in danger from this "unqualified" (read: non-white) interloper, and they are the self-appointed defenders of the realm.

        Meanwhile, everything they do PREVENTS our economy from growing, and further damages out nation. But, of course, they don't see it - they're too busy BITING!

        GOP = opposing every positive econimic growth program proposed in congress because: OBAMA - STILL!

        Help American return to sanity - vote the GOP OUT OF the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate in 2014 elections. America requires Democratic action in order to survive!

        by dagnome on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:59:40 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  If the center of both parties appointed shadow (0+ / 0-)

    leaders and caucused together to agree upon bipartisan solutions to our big problems, a lot more would get done in Washington.  

    Right now, Boehner, like Pelosi before him, does not want to bring matters to a vote that he can't pass with a majority of his own party. That's bad leadership, because it lets the fringes of either party control the agenda.  

    The major parties are forcing the formation of a third party, and they don't even know it or, if they do, they don't care.  Shame on them.

    Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause. - Gandhi

    by SpamNunn on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:28:28 AM PST

  •  Talk about fighting for your convictions... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...or rather fighting for your own Congress seat (and benefits).

    They don't come more coward than that.

  •  This is why gerrymandering needs to stop (2+ / 0-)
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    Vote4Obamain2012, bunsk

    districts would become more centrist, less extreme, tea party candidates couldn't win and Congress would do a better job.

  •  Unless they have rigged the re-election game (1+ / 0-)
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    “Majorities are elected to do things, and if they become dysfunctional, the American people will change what the majority is,” Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), a House deputy majority whip and a former National Republican Congressional Committee chairman, told The Hill.
    This is why we still have a GOP-majority House in 2012, despite American voters casting far more votes for democrats running for House seats.

    Republicans know they can no longer win on a level playing field, so they gerrymander.

    Help American return to sanity - vote the GOP OUT OF the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate in 2014 elections. America requires Democratic action in order to survive!

    by dagnome on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:45:41 AM PST

  •  Koch brothers order Rs to back off on debt limit: (0+ / 0-)

    Quoted from Financial Times at Naked Capitalism. It appears focus will shift to the next pressure point, the March sequester.


    A conservative activist group backed by the industrialist Koch brothers is urging Republicans to show restraint during US debt ceiling negotiations, representing a shift in position by the usually hardline Americans for Prosperity.

        The move by the influential group underscores concern that a political stand-off over extending the US’s borrowing limit, which many Republicans are pushing for at the end of February, would diminish public support for sharp cuts in government spending, AFP’s stated goal. AFP opposed an agreement that raised the debt ceiling in 2011 because it said the deal did not go far enough to cut spending.

        “We’re saying calibrate your message. Focus on overspending instead of long-term debt,” said Tim Phillips, president of AFP. “Focusing on [the debt ceiling] makes the messaging more difficult.”


    The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

    by Wolf10 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:49:27 AM PST

  •  I wish we could get Dems (0+ / 0-)

    afraid of their base as opposed to just their paymasters.

    All politicians vote pragmatically don't they?

    Remember to kick it over.

    by sprogga on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:55:12 AM PST

  •  Haven't these clowns ever heard a US Marine (0+ / 0-)

    talk? NO GUTS, NO GLORY.

    Of course, President Obama and his political advisors know these republican clowns have no guts. And shit for brains.

    Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering.

    by harris stein on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:00:35 AM PST

  •  Politicians who are more interested in re-election (0+ / 0-)

    than in doing anything good.  Oh, right.  They're politicians.

    Personally, I'd rather vote someone who's more interested in doing the right thing than in hanging to her or his job.

  •  Worry not (1+ / 0-)
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    I have faith in our Democratic leaders to snatch defeat from the jaws of this terrible opportunity.

  •  RW radio is the main enforcer but still no dem (0+ / 0-)

    party strategy to challenge it. those limbaugh megastations decide the primaries- which candidates proceed and which are ignored in the GOP-  and they intimidate the reps in congress.

    limbaugh mocks those like murkowski and gingrich who recently suggested the debt ceiling shouldn't be a leveraging tool- that makes a big difference in the base.

    considering the time lost on global warming this continues to be  the biggest political blunder in history.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:13:40 AM PST

  •  The Republicans who wanted the bill to pass (1+ / 0-)
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    didn't care about the country. They didn't want to get blamed for fucking it up.

    One lawmaker, Mr. Cole said, told him that while he did not want to vote in favor of the bill, he also did not want to amend it and send it back to the Senate where it might die and leave House Republicans blamed for tax increases.

    When someone tells you they are lying, you should believe them.

    by shoeless on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:14:05 AM PST

  •  Not to be envied. NEVER to be pitied. nt (0+ / 0-)

    God be with you, Occupiers. God IS with you.

    by Hohenzollern on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:18:16 AM PST

  •  Funny, the bond rating agency disagrees with Cole. (0+ / 0-)

    They didn't say anything about spending cuts. The said that they downgraded our credit because we thrested to default.

    Is Tom Cole ignorant, or is he a liar?

    When someone tells you they are lying, you should believe them.

    by shoeless on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:25:34 AM PST

  •  I wonder what other sort of closet (0+ / 0-)

    these guys are in.

    When someone tells you they are lying, you should believe them.

    by shoeless on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:32:30 AM PST

  •  This also shows a common lie (1+ / 0-)
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    The common lie being told by conservatives and repeated by the complicit media is that "Obama is having trouble with Congress because he's not palling around with them enough and building personal relationships".

    This is baloney.  Even when Republicans know what the right answer is, they choose the wrong answer because they don't want to face a primary challenge.  How much they personally like/dislike Obama will make no difference when this is the logic dictating their votes.

  •  TeaTaliban Caucus is Paper Tiger... (0+ / 0-)

    The vote in the house on " the cliff " was 257-167-10...!...Pelosi needs only 20-25 Republican votes to move a motion or carry a vote...If Boner puts it on the floor...He LOSES....Baggers are back bench bomb throwers...nothing else....Ignore them...

  •  Som there's a third of the Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    That simply have no spine?   What good are they?  

  •  In all seriousness... (0+ / 0-)

    This is very much what Obama and the other members of the Democratic party did when they voted against raising the debt ceiling during the Bush administration.  They voted against it on principle, but obviously didn't want the debt increase to fail.  Hey, politics is like making sausage...

  •  Vote No/Hope Yes? Complete Horse s**t! (0+ / 0-)

    A substantial segment of House Republicans know the right course, but their brains over ride their hearts and they are compelled to vote No, hoping that the outcome is Yes?

    What absolute, profound, complete, utter malarkey.

    When you are a legislator and you have to cast a vote on certain, specified things, you cannot have it both ways. You might try to explain it both ways - that actually happens a lot, as in "I was really for it, but the bill wasn't strong enough, so I voted against it" - but your audience as the right to be very, very skeptical of you and what you say.

    GOP, you are spineless craven good-for-nothing servants of nothing good at all.

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 12:08:05 PM PST

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    the debt limit has anything to do with current spending and nothing to do with paying for spending they already approved?

    "I cannot live without books" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1815

    by Susan Grigsby on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 12:38:10 PM PST

  •  Eventually.... (0+ / 0-)

    hopefully this will be the leverage needed against the gerrymandering of the last election.
    Sane people will have to make a decision about which way they are going....with the crazies, more and more marginalized and completely irrelevant or if not Dems than Independents who can do what is right.

    What do we want? Universal health care! When do we want it? Now!

    by cagernant on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 12:39:52 PM PST

  •  ...put house Rs on defense... (0+ / 0-)

    but that would be impolite and unfair to the gop...

    when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

    by bunsk on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 05:17:57 PM PST

  •  Bad politicians should be worried. (0+ / 0-)

    All the politicians, Republican or Democrat, should be worried about a primary challenge for failing the American public and just kicking the can down the road.  Spending MUST be cut.  In defense and even more so in Medicare.  Cut out all the government hand outs to farms and oil and just let the market figure out the true price on things.  And there needs to be real tax reform.  Eliminate most, if not all the deductions, tax all income the same way and flatten the tax but start only taxing income earned above the poverty wage.

    Every politician who refuses to give us a fiscally responsible government should be in for a fight in their next election, and they should all be booted.

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