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Now that it seems that John Kerry will be chosen for one of the most prestigious offices in the Cabinet, we Massachusetts Kossacks will once again have to fight against the slimy Scott Brown who has a chance to wiggle back into the Senate.    Lawrence O'Donnell says that Congressman Ed Markey will run, and having met Markey myself once and looking at his long and esteemed record, he can beat Brown and he would be an upgrade to Kerry(who despite a fairly liberal voting record has voted for the Patriot Act, only has a 53% rating form the LCV, and there was Kerry's hawkish foreign policy votes) and be a worthy progressive partner to Elizabeth Warren.

Markey is very strong on environmental issues, something that is desperately needed in the Senate.   He voted no to offshore drilling in places like New England and California.  He votes yes to enforcing carbon dioxide limits as part of ACES.  He voted yes on preventing Yucca Mountain from becoming a nuclear waste dump.    He has also received an 100% rating from the League of Conservation Voters.    Markey knows that climate change is real, and that superstorm Sandy was evidence of it being imminent.     Markey was also a co-author of ACES itself.

Ed Markey is also pro-choice and got an 100% rating from NARAL in the 2012 election cycle.  Markey also has a great record on civil rights issues, getting an 87% rating from the ACLU and an 100% rating from the Human Rights Campaign.  He has got an 100% rating from the NAACP. He voted yes to ENDA.  Voted no to making the Patriot Act permanent.     Markey also urged a no vote on CISPA.  

The only vote that I would take issue with as far as Markey goes is that he voted yes to the Iraq War in 2002.   Because otherwise, Markey has an awesome record on health care, immigration, and with the exception of voting for NAFTA, a good record on trade.  

Markey first went to Congress by winning a seven-way primary, so he knows how to fight and win.   O'Donnell mentioned that Markey has about $3 Million cash on hand while Brown has less than $500k cash on hand(although Wall Street will likely fund him what he needs).   Markey also won't take a vacation when he should be campaigning in a special election(Coakley's most unforgivable mistake IMHO), and he would likely prepare for any Red Sox questions so he won't mistakenly think that a star Red Sox pitcher is on the fucking New York Yankees.  (Sorry I strongly hate the Yankees).   I have no doubt that Markey will be able to excite the activist base, and Markey will steamroll Brown in any debate.   We in Massachusetts learned to take nothing for granted, and I plan to work very hard for Markey once he announces that he wants to run in the special election.

Originally posted to pistolSO on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:29 PM PST.

Also republished by Massachusetts Kosmopolitans and Community Spotlight.

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  •  where's the petition? (4+ / 0-)

    ;>

    "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

    by MartyM on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:35:49 PM PST

  •  Well that certainly makes him sound good. Has he (8+ / 0-)

    said anything about it?

  •  Over the years I lived in MA I lived in (26+ / 0-)

    retiring Congressman Barney Frank's district, Nikki's, and Mike Capuano's. Both Tsongas and Capuano have good records and are likable people. That being said, IMO, Markey is it. I'd certainly work like hell for him if I still lived in MA.

    I am gay, and I'm getting married in the Episcopal Church, just like my great-grandmother did.

    by commonmass on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:40:21 PM PST

  •  He voted with labor on everything in 2012 (13+ / 0-)

    The site is being slow so I can't see the other years, but 20 out of 20 in 2012 is not bad.

  •  Virtually everyone voted for the (7+ / 0-)

    Patriot Act. But a MA rep voting to support Bush going to war in Iraq? I think I'll wait and see who is running for senate before jumping into his camp. Why not, what's the big hurry?

  •  Why isn't Deval Patrick on the list? (5+ / 0-)
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    pistolSO, annieli, Nulwee, Arthurkc, Matt Z

    And what about Vicki Kennedy?

    •  Patrick has said that he intends to serve out (11+ / 0-)

      his term(an admirable thing given our history with Massachusetts governors).

      And while I respect Vicki Kennedy, a Massachusetts Senate seat is no longer "the Kennedy seat".  2009 proved that.

      Washington and Colorado said that you've got to legalize it. Hope the DOJ respects that.

      by pistolSO on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:48:59 PM PST

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      •  Why is Robert Reich on the list? (3+ / 0-)
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        RoIn, JBraden, pistolSO

           He is now a professor at the University of California in Berkeley CA. Alameda County is not in MA.

        Diehard Swingnut, disgruntled Democrat, age 54, new CA-30

        by Zack from the SFV on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 09:01:25 AM PST

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        •  Reich was one of three Democrats that ran for (1+ / 0-)
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          Governor back in 2002, and I thought maybe that progressives would like him on the list.   I didn't know that he lives in California now, but I wasn't expecting him to run anyway.

          Washington and Colorado said that you've got to legalize it. Hope the DOJ respects that.

          by pistolSO on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 09:22:48 PM PST

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          •  Yeah, I knew he ran in 2002 (1+ / 0-)
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            pistolSO

               I think I gave him ten bucks because I believed that he would stand up for the little guy ;-)...

               Reich is great; I hardly ever make contributions for out of state candidates for other than federal offices but I made an exception for him.

            Diehard Swingnut, disgruntled Democrat, age 54, new CA-30

            by Zack from the SFV on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 09:28:29 PM PST

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    •  Vicki Kennedy has been mentioned to fill (5+ / 0-)

      the seat on a temporary basis. That is, after Kerry resigns, there has to be an interm choice until the election is held. There are reports that Patrick is considering Kennedy for that role.

      I dont think she would run in the special election, and it's unclear to me if the interim appointee is even allowed to run in the special.

      As far as Patrick, I think he would run for the seat in 2014 if Brown won the special. I think that's something that would actually prevent Brown from running. He would have to run in the special, and then assuming he won, face Deval Patrick in a year and half in the 2014 general.

      Instead, Brown could run for an open governor's seat in 2014, and probably win.

      •  Don't see Vicki as a viable candidate (4+ / 0-)

        I respect her enormously but she's never run for anything. Brown, or whoever, will ask voters "What's her basis other than 'Ted's widow'?"

        Brown probably could win the governor's seat. Then he'd actually have to run the state.

        Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

        by fenway49 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 04:57:51 PM PST

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        •  Totally Agree (2+ / 0-)
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          What has she done to deserve a nomination for Senate? And if she wants it, why do I  never see her on local tv? Most people here have no idea who she really is or what her political skills and outlook are. Bad choice!

        •  Agreed. She actually hurt Coakley (0+ / 0-)

          I don't live in Mass, but IIRC, when she endorsed Coakley for "Teddy's Seat", Brown jumped all over it and said something about how it was the people's seat, not Ted Kennedy's.  I believe this had some success in stirring up resentment against the Kennedys, and by extension, Coakley.  I grew up in MA, and my impression is that there was more of a love/hate relationship with the Kennedy family there than outsiders may realize, IMHO.  The Kennedy name can be a plus, but it can also backfire and make you look entitled and out of touch.

          •  Definitely some resentment toward Kennedys (1+ / 0-)
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            Especially among Reagan Democrat types, blue-collar townie folks. Brown played that one well.

            But Vicki is not to blame for Coakley's loss. If Vicki said that, and Brown had his clever line, and Coakley even tried to run a competent campaign, she would have won.

            Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

            by fenway49 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:26:18 PM PST

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            •  I'm not blaming Vicki. (1+ / 0-)
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              "Lazy Martha" was going down no matter what after that stinker of a campaign.  I'm just saying it seemed to have a measurable negative effect which might have mattered in a closer race.

              It could be that, this time around, her endorsement would be a positive.  Since it would be some non-Kennedy running  Kerry's former seat, there'd be no direct association with the family, and no basis for Brown to claim that they were trying to prolong their dynasty or anything like that (not that he wouldn't try).

              IMHO you were spot on with your assessment of the anti-Kennedy types.  Sounds a lot like many of the people I grew up with in Newton (are there any blue-collar neighborhoods left there these days?).

              •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                The Lake and Upper Falls, and some parts of West Newton remain fairly blue collar. Lots of Brown signs in Upper Falls this year. I always get a kick out of the guys at the DD on Watertown St and Adams, and they can be a decent political barometer of the neighborhood.

                In a recent discussion about upcoming override votes, a resident of Nonantum (a liberal activist) noted that people there genuinely feel strapped for cash and will tend to oppose the overrides. A lot of opposition there to tax increases for the new NNHS.

                My view on Vicki is that it will make little difference either way this time. I don't see undecided voters rallying to the Dems based on her endorsement, nor do I see the level of resentment that surfaced in 2009-10.

                Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                by fenway49 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 10:41:32 AM PST

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      •  Is Patrick more popular now? (0+ / 0-)

        I remember at first (I had left MA by then but heard from others) that Patrick went through some rough patches as governor.  Has he overcome those?

        "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

        by auron renouille on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:34:41 PM PST

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        •  Yes he is (2+ / 0-)
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          Patrick absolutely had a tough year or two when first elected. He was very good on the issues but a poor administrator. That has long since changed and was, in fact, reelected by a wide margin. I believe that right now he would be our strongest candidate in a special Senate election. None of the others has ever won a statewide race.

  •  Markey and Meehan would be favored over Brown (5+ / 0-)

    I do think that Obama picking Kerry screws Duval out of the Senate. I had dreams of Duval, Booker, and Donna Edwards ( I still think they'll be a retirement in NJ) all running in the same year.

    I would have liked to have seen him pick DiFi and have Jerry Brown elevate Kamela to the Senate instead.

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

    by dopper0189 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:59:09 PM PST

  •  Markey willing to give up House Seniority? (7+ / 0-)

    To be the rookie of all rookies in the Senate?  He's 8th overall in House Seniority, 6th in the Dem Caucus behind Dingell(86yo), Conyers (83 yo), Rangel (82yo, won primary by 1000 votes), Miller and Waxman.  

    They have the billionaires, We have the Big Dog!

    by Jacoby Jonze on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:01:14 PM PST

    •  If Dems still had the House, probably Markey would (11+ / 0-)

      stay, since he'd be chair of almost anything he wanted. But since they don't, I could see being in the majority in the Senate much more attractive.

      In 2010 special election, the Dems still held the House, so staying out of the Senate race kind of made sense.

      Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

      by willyr on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:09:00 PM PST

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      •  Unless Reid gives him credit for House seniority (3+ / 0-)
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        Nulwee, lordpet8, Nautical Knots

        which could cause a caucus revolt - he'll NEVER get any meaningful seniority in the Senate.  Now he could stick around in the House for 8 more years and be 2 or 3rd in seniority in 2020 and hope redistricting fixes gerrymanders in Ohio and Pa and NC.  

        They have the billionaires, We have the Big Dog!

        by Jacoby Jonze on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:16:56 PM PST

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        •  After this year's retirements, #30 in seniority is (5+ / 0-)

          After this year's retirements, #30 in seniority is Bill Nelson of Florida, who took office in January, 2001, or 12 years ago.  In other words, with all of the turnover in the Senate, Markey will move up the ladder fairly quickly.  Plus, he is coming in as a veteran liberal Democrat from Massachusetts, so he will have no trouble getting legislation passed.  

          He is a hard worker and knows how to get the job done.  He probably knows plenty of the other Senators already.  

          With all of the huge challenges in our society, and the huge time and financial cost of campaigning, not all of today's senators will stay around as long as those from previous years did; and there are quite a few old timers that will be retiring in the next few years.

        •  Doubt Reid would (0+ / 0-)

          hell he still has not given Lautenberg back his seniority from his first stint in the senate.

          24, gay Atari Democrat CA-41

          by lordpet8 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 09:59:43 PM PST

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  •  Make it 21 in the Senate (3+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee, brentbent, Nautical Knots

    Nikki Tsongas would be the 21st woman in the 113th Senate.  Plus it would be fun watching Brown make all the same mistakes again that he made running against Warren.

    PPP needs to run some polls in MA.

    The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones! - John Maynard Keynes

    by Do Something on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:16:30 PM PST

    •  Tsongas? (0+ / 0-)

      While I like her, I don't think Nikki has the political skills to win a tough special election statewide. Fair or not, she is still seen by many as merely the wife of the deceased Senator and not as someone who clawed her way to the top. I don't think she could win a statewide primary or beat Brown. My faves-1) Patrick 2)Capuano 3)Markey

  •  Lets say (4+ / 0-)

    Markey runs and wins, who will then run for his seat in Congress?  We want to make sure that seats remains in Democratic hands even though we're not in the majority as yet.

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:28:45 PM PST

    •  His district is rather solidly Democratic (5+ / 0-)

      Pretty sure that a Republican wouldn't win in Markey's seat and I am sure there will be a worthy Democrat in the state Senate or House that could be a good Congressperson.

      I'll research that though since I am not sure what Markey's district looks like now.

      Washington and Colorado said that you've got to legalize it. Hope the DOJ respects that.

      by pistolSO on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:38:07 PM PST

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      •  It is solid (3+ / 0-)
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        So much that Barney Frank's retirement was moved along because he felt Markey had used his clout on Beacon Hill to shore up his own district, not Barney's. I think Barney's fears were somewhat unfounded given JPK III's win with over 60% here.

        Here are the districts. Markey (5th) has:

        All of Malden, Melrose, Stoneham, Woburn, Winchester, Arlington, Belmont, Watertown, Waltham, Lexington, Lincoln, Weston, Wayland, Sudbury, Framingham, Natick, Ashland, Sherborn, Holliston, Southboro.

        Parts of: Cambridge (Fresh Pond/Harvard/Porter), Revere, Winthrop.  

        Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

        by fenway49 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 05:07:45 PM PST

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    •  Markey's pre-2012 district had PVI of D+15 (6+ / 0-)

      Looks like Markey's new district is very similar to his old one, so I imagine that between Lexington and Natick(and Melrose and Medford), you'll find a good Democrat who can fill Markey's seat if he wins.

      Washington and Colorado said that you've got to legalize it. Hope the DOJ respects that.

      by pistolSO on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:46:47 PM PST

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    •  Jay Kaufman (1+ / 0-)
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      pistolSO

      I think State Rep. Jay Kaufman would be a good pick. He's always going to the same local rallies with Markey, and he's good on the environment.

      Consumption is not the answer.

      by Lexpression on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 04:27:49 PM PST

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    •  I like my State Senator Will Brownsberger (0+ / 0-)

      but I don't know if Belmont is the best base to win a primary here.

      28, Male, MA-08 (hometown MI-06)

      by bumiputera on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 09:51:00 AM PST

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  •  We have this battle because of that idiot Obama. (3+ / 0-)
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    fenway49, Paleo, Laconic Lib

    He's doing exactly what the Republicans want him to do.

    •  Massachusetts needs new blood anyway. (3+ / 0-)

      Would you rather he take out another Midwest or Plains democrat for a cabinet post?

      Thank you to jayden, Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN, Aji and everyone in the Daily Kos community involved in gifting my subscription and gifting others!

      by Nulwee on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:43:38 PM PST

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    •  nonsense. he is picking a strong sec of state in a (4+ / 0-)

      world that needs one. kerry has knowledge, experience and skills. the republicans do not "want " kerry. they want romney to be naming that asshole john bolton or some other such evil twit to the job....but we beat their asses off and so now obama can choose the war hero they swift boated eight long years ago.....sure rice got a raw deal but you lick your wounds and move on in this very rough endeavor.

      and i am ready, willing and able to donate to and phone bank for markey just like i did for warren and many others. and i hope you will be as well.

      •  Kerry and McCain are friends, they've both (0+ / 0-)

        said so.  

        These guys want Kerry because they can manipulate him.  And because they want his Senate seat to open up for Brown.  

        •  all the members of the millionaires club are (0+ / 0-)

          chummy. unless you plan to getting rid of the senate, the house, the lobbyists and so forth you will have to live with the fact that all the overlords have ties to each other. that said some are more liberal than others, some are smarter than others, some are really concerned with leaving a legacy that includes having tried to make the world a better place....kerry is one of those.

          •  I agree that Kerry's heart is in the right place - (0+ / 0-)

            but you can say that about a lot of Republicans, too.  It doesn't make me trust them any more.  

            Kerry is certainly better than many, but in my view, he is flawed.

            •  as are we all. who would you have really liked (0+ / 0-)

              for the job? i ask in all honesty. rice seemed flawed as well. it is such a complex job....trying to work with the whole world through all of it's governments and issues....seems hard to imagine anyone really having a clear sense of what the hell to do.

    •  Kerry is at least (1+ / 0-)
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      CuriousBoston

      a warm DEM body in the Senate. If the Dems were willing to hang on the Joe Lieberman then they should not reduce their majority.

    •  yep. and b/c Kerry will take it, to be fair. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      A thousand Sharkeys are invading a thousand Shires every day across our country.--James Wells

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:38:28 PM PST

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    •  It's guys like you (9+ / 0-)

      That give Democrats here a bad name. Seriously, that idiot Obama? Kerry is a qualified professional for the job, and you have nothing better to do than to rant.

    •  That's a bit harsh (0+ / 0-)

      I am not happy either.  I feel that we were manipulated. But understand the root cause.  It isn't the president's acumen.  It's republican control of the media.  They waged a relentless smear campaign against Rice in the media.  The only mistake the President made was to use her to speak about Libya.

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

      by noofsh on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:51:43 AM PST

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    •  Really? Why didn't John Kerry refuse to be (1+ / 0-)
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      fenway49

      considered for SoS?  He has that option.  He can keep his promise to those of us who voted for him be a US Senator from Massachusetts, until his term ends.

      John Kerry is an ass.  His friends in the Senate decided to attack a well-qualified, some might say, better qualified candidate for SoS, allowing their friend and colleague to ascend to the office he personally covets, regardless of whether that is in the best interests of our nation or our commonwealth, not just his own personal ambitions.

      He can write the same letter Susan Rice wrote.  Nothing is stopping him but his own ambition.  

      There were a lot of sleazy mean politics involved in the baseless attack on Susan Rice, and John Kerry is no profile in courage.  

      Am I pissed?  You bet.  We didn't go through a tough Senate campaign against that affable tea party idiot Scott Brown to have to go through it again on a special election of all things.  The only good thing about Kerry deserting MA is that it does make Elizabeth the SENIOR Senator from Massachusetts.  Hallelujah for small things.

      "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

      by Uncle Moji on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 04:51:28 PM PST

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  •  Would Barney Frank consider a Senate run? (4+ / 0-)

    Ed Markey would be a fine Senator, and Massachusetts "suffers" from having a number of good progressive possible candidates, including Barney Frank.

    Regards.

  •  I don't think 66 is not a bad age to run (6+ / 0-)

    for the senate. Warren is like what no more than a couple of years younger than Markey? They could serve for close to or lil over 20 yrs in the senate. And the youth in the state's party looks good. Folks like Joe Kennedy III and Chang-Diaz would be ideal replacements, when Warren and Markey get to that point.

    I think it will be great for the senate and the country to have two senators from the same state, where one is a financial crusader, and the other an environmental crusader.

    Im for Markey 110%

    Moderate Progressive, Born in Cairo, Raised in NY-11, Living in NJ-13.

    by BKGyptian89 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 03:51:03 PM PST

  •  If Markey was appointed before new class sworn (1+ / 0-)
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    would he be ahead of all that class in seniority and would he be ahead of Elizabeth Warren and be considered senior Senator from Mass?

    They have the billionaires, We have the Big Dog!

    by Jacoby Jonze on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 05:14:43 PM PST

  •  Ed Markey would make a great Senator (8+ / 0-)

    He would be a strong advocate for Progressive Values and fight the GOP with vigor and passion.  I fully support him.

  •  Markey is my rep, I fully support a senate run (9+ / 0-)

    I think Markey is a good choice if the seat opens up.  Over the years, I have come to think more highly of him.  We initially had run-ins over the Iraq war, and some contentious meetings - but he did engage us.

    He is not out front, but is solid, and he is extremely good on carbon issues and global warming, and I think he has been on the right side of internet freedom issues as well.

    No worries about a replacement if he runs.   Furthermore, speaking as a Massachusetts Dem, I don't think there is a chance in hell that we will let a Martha Coakley situation develop again.  

    The group that elected Elisabeth Warren with ease is not going to let Scott Brown or his clone back into the game.

    He would be a more progressive addition to the Senate..and is more liberal than Kerry who waffles on things like filibuster reform.

    2012! The most important election of my lifetime. Let's get to work.

    by tsackton on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:51:13 PM PST

  •  His is great, BUT (3+ / 0-)
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    his last serious election was the 1976 Democratic Primary. That was THIRTY SIX YEARS AGO. How will he stand up to the hundred million dollars of lies the Republicans will throw at him?

    •  He has never won by less than 28 points (1+ / 0-)
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      Matt Z

      in districts that have recently been in the D+15 or D+16 range, that the Republicans often don't bother contesting.

      •  Has he faced the (1+ / 0-)
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        Kochroaches of Kansas and Adelson?

      •  Well the state ain't exactly a swing state either (1+ / 0-)
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        Bush Bites

        Republicans a few and far in between in this state. As well as we can do decently with independents we should be alright.

        I don't think the dems will be caught napping this time around

        24, gay Atari Democrat CA-41

        by lordpet8 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:03:41 PM PST

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        •  except in statewide elections (0+ / 0-)

          since 1950 repubs have won 8 elections and dems 7

          This will be a very tight fight and Brown will start as the favorite

          Turnout will be much lower in the deep blue Boston city region than it was in the November elections. We may not like this but it will happen.

        •  No cake walk (1+ / 0-)
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          No Dem likely to run, Markey included, has anywhere near the statewide name recognition Scott Brown has. Brown has significant crossover appeal. He just got 1.5 million votes. In a typical non-presidential election, with standard turnout numbers, that's more than enough to win.

          Here it's like 37% registered Dem, 13% registered GOP, 50% independent. The independents often vote for Democrats but they love Scott Brown. He won among them easily in 2010 and this year against Elizabeth Warren. The real difference between his first and second races was turnout in urban Democratic areas being way up in a Presidential year.

          Dems won't be caught napping but it's not going to be easy. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't really get the numbers in Massachusetts politics. As compared to Warren, I see Markey with some advantages (he's from here born and raised, which matters to some; presumably no fake scandal on his heritage; plenty of experience).

          But also some big disadvantages. First, no other race on the ballot means low turnout. Second, he's got a long record. They'll find something to pick on. Third, to Mass. independents outside his district he's not well known and can be painted as a stale insider. I'm telling you, suburban independents love Scott Brown, even if his bi-partisan rep is as phony as his pickup truck.  

          Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

          by fenway49 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:11:27 AM PST

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    •  He's pretty smart on a podium (2+ / 0-)
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      and out here (I'm in the middle of his district) our Democrats don't go out of the way of a fight.  He's quietly built up a lot of cred so a lot of people will show up to work for him.  (If I'm still in the state I will.)  Perhaps not Warren numbers, but there will be quite a bit of overlap.  Money won't be a problem.  Scott Brown is a known quantity and so is what and where the votes you have to get to win the state are since 2006.

      He's not the ardent sort some people here want to see him as but he's definitely to the left of Kerry and at least as or more social liberal than Kennedy.   People are ambivalent about him at first but warm to him soon and are ultimately really impressed.  

    •  This is my main concern (3+ / 0-)
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      Out of all Massachusetts' members of Congress, he's my favorite, and my preference to take Sen. Kerry's seat. But he's also been in the House forever, in a safe Democratic district, and he's probably pretty rusty on the campaign trail as a result. I also worry he won't be able to clear the primary field, which could get messy, especially if Rep. Capuano jumps in and splits the progressive vote.

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      by SaoMagnifico on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:47:01 AM PST

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  •  Congrats on making the Community Spotlight! (1+ / 0-)
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    Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

    by poopdogcomedy on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:43:33 PM PST

  •  Isn't anyone the least bit (2+ / 0-)
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    GayHillbilly, Laconic Lib

    Interested in whether Kerry is the best we can do for Sec State?

    •  The consensus seems to be he'd be pretty good. (2+ / 0-)
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      And, you know, it's hard not to see it any other way.

      Chairman of the senate foreign relations committee with many years of experience in foreign affairs as well as experience in dealing with the senate.

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:28:45 PM PST

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    •  He'd be fine (1+ / 0-)
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      He's not my first choice, and I think if the president gives him the job, it will be more a case of returning the favor than of actually choosing the person who is truly best for the job.

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      by SaoMagnifico on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:48:31 AM PST

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  •  Markey would be the best choice both (3+ / 0-)
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    substantively and electorally.

    Let all the Bush tax cuts expire

    by Paleo on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 04:49:49 AM PST

  •  He's my Congressman. (1+ / 0-)
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    As long as a Rethug doesn't get elected in his place I am all for this idea.

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:24:09 AM PST

  •  Ok let's go with Markey (2+ / 0-)
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    I am not happy that we have to fight this fight but there would seem to be no choice.  Going with Markey out the gate is much better than a protracted primary.  Can we quickly get him nominated?  That's the first step.  Lets fast track this thing.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:45:55 AM PST

  •  not to be a spoilsport but ... (1+ / 0-)
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    CardCarryingLibrul

    I recall not long ago being very unhappy with Markey about telecommunications issues.  I don't have any citations handy, just a memory of thinking "another goddamned corporatist".  Anyone?

  •  Scott Brown ran a dishonest campaign (4+ / 0-)

    against Senator-elect Warren and I will work just as hard to defeat him again. His record, his SJC preferences, and his last campaign should automatically disqualify him for any further public office.

    Damn the Regressives, full speed ahead!

    by Nautical Knots on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 07:52:26 AM PST

  •  For those of us living far-far away (1+ / 0-)
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      And by that I mean TX, I don't pretend to know all the inner-working or background of all the players in MA.    I have a big fish to  try and fry here.

        All that means is that I will follow the progress here and be more than happy to donate and support a strong DEM to replace Sen Kerry.

  •  I would prefer Capuano. -nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  markey (1+ / 0-)
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    Markey is in a solidly Dem district. He has not run a competitive race in many years, if ever. He has only appeared on friendly talk shows where he talks about global warming.
    He generally votes the right way.
    But it's really not clear that he could stand up to a tough challenge from Brown.
    I heard him speak and wasn't that overwhelmed. He has a bit of a space-cadet vibe.

    Obama 2012...going to win it with our support!!!

    by mattinjersey on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:21:06 AM PST

  •  The sepecial election would be held in June, (1+ / 0-)
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    another out of cycle election. A big get out the vote effort will be required if Brown runs again.

  •  Isn't Markey... (0+ / 0-)

    ...the congressman who pushed through expanding Daylight Saving Time so that we are no on it the majority of the year?

    Ugh!  Someone else please.

    (Kidding, but only half kidding.)

    “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

    by RoIn on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:01:54 PM PST

    •  He made it so we (0+ / 0-)

      are on Daylight Savings Time most of the year, not off it. I only wish he'd made Daylight Savings Time year-round. Here in Boston we are so far north and east that in December it's practically dark by 3:30 PM.

      Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

      by fenway49 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:14:17 AM PST

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      •  Daylight Saving Time (0+ / 0-)

        I have no problem with Daylight Saving Time during the summer, but from October through at least January the result is that it is so dark in the morning that I have difficulty functioning.  As it is now there is no sunlight until after 8:00 in the morning during the fall and summer. Extending DST year round would make that closer to 9:00 -- even later in the north.

        It is as bad now that we start it in March right when there is enough morning daylight to get me going and then we shift the clocks ahead and for about another month it is dark in the morning.

        I think DST should begin from Memorial Day (maybe a few weeks earlier) but end no later than Labor Day.

        “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

        by RoIn on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 11:04:12 AM PST

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  •  I'd rather have Mike Capuano (1+ / 0-)
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    gravitas

    If only because he's younger (60 to Markey's 66).

    Romney-Ryan: America's Rollback Team

    by Christian Dem in NC on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:49:10 PM PST

  •  Markey is my Representative. (3+ / 0-)
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    I revere the man.

    He's also very funny.  Speaking to a GOTV rally for Elizabeth Warren, a couple of days before the election, he said, "I can say something about myself that no other person in Congress can say: I was swept into office in the McGovern landslide."

    He's awesome.

    Freedom isn't "on the march." Freedom dances.

    by WarrenS on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:07:07 PM PST

  •  For godsakes, Western Mass (1+ / 0-)
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    pistolSO

    yes, western Mass, we are the other half of the state, the bigger half, by land mass, the rural part of the state, the one with the 'No Farms, No Food" bumper stickers.  

    The reason we hate Boston is because you all act as if we don't exist, and that this is all an inside 495 decision.  As I recollect, the collar counties are the ones that elected that dolt Scott Brown in the first place.  

    Scott Brown NEVER once came to Hampshire County in his  3 years in office in any kind of official visit.  Deval Patrick visits us, he has a home out here.  Ted Kennedy used to come here on a regular basis, and enjoyed great support.  When he first ran for Senate Ted Kennedy spent a few weeks in Cooley Dickinson Hospital in Northampton, after his small plane crashed and he broke his back and could not be moved, his mother Rose spent time here as well.  He got to know us, and we him.  He was loved.

    If you want Markey, he needs to get his ass out to the rest of the state and learn our issues (we still have many towns that only have DIAL UP access, we need help with rural economic development, our cities need help - Springfield, Pittsfield, Greenfield, Northampton, Holyoke) we are the home to the flagship UMASS in Amherst, not the one in Dartmouth.  He needs to be like Ted Kennedy, and remember all politics is not limited to 495.  

    There has been chatter about Richie Neal running, and the guy is an ass and he would be horrible, but he has local support.  Frankly it would be great to have a progressive alternative.  Robert Reich did quite well out here when he ran. so there is a strong progressive base out here.  I would rather support Markey but he has to get out here and act like he cares.

    "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

    by Uncle Moji on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 05:11:00 PM PST

    •  Neal has (2+ / 0-)
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      already taken himself out of consideration.

      Editor, Daily Kos Elections.

      by David Jarman on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:06:28 PM PST

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    •  I don't think the party is going to take Western (1+ / 0-)
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      fenway49

      Massachusetts for granted.   Markey or whomever gets the nomination will have to make sure that the Berkshires, the Pioneer Valley and Springfield turns out in addition to the deep blue areas of Eastern Massachusetts.

      Let's not forget that Coakley came from Western Massachusetts, so it's not like Western Massachusetts doesn't have its share of candidates either. And as David Jarman has pointed out, Neal is the only Western Mass. Congressperson and he's not running.  

      Washington and Colorado said that you've got to legalize it. Hope the DOJ respects that.

      by pistolSO on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 09:31:18 PM PST

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      •  She came from central MA (0+ / 0-)

        Middlesex county if my memory serves me right.

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        by ArkDem14 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 04:27:15 PM PST

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        •  Middlesex county is mostly within 495 (0+ / 0-)

          It only counts as central Mass if you live in Boston.  Central Mass is Worcester County.  Most of the land mass of the state is outside the 495 corridor but you would never tell that from what happens with Boston and Boston area Dems.  Hence my comment about Markey getting to the rest of the state.  

          Frankly, because of the dismissive response to my comment asking Markey to act as if the Western part of the state exists, I am now inclined not only NOT to vote for Markey but to campaign for and donate to another Democrat with more intelligent supporters.  

          Markey supporters can act like 495 insider Martha Coakley and pretend the voters of Western Mass are irrelevant and lose, or act like our votes matter.  

          "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

          by Uncle Moji on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:10:50 AM PST

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          •  I'm just saying (0+ / 0-)

            Coakley wasn't a Boston politico, and even got snubbed by folks like Meinino, which resulted in very low Boston turnout that cost her the election. She did pretty well in the western end of the state, though not in Worchester, which is the most conservative county in the state.

            "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

            by ArkDem14 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:43:34 AM PST

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      •  If Jarman thinks there is only western Mass (0+ / 0-)

        pol thinking about running, he is mistaken.

        And if you think someone, Coakley, who has lived and worked inside 495 for the last 32 years is a western Mass candidate, seriously, seriously.  

        This is the kind of arrogance that makes the rest of us want to secede and join Vermont.  And take our Boston water supply with us.  Your drinking water is from Western Mass.

        "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

        by Uncle Moji on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:01:12 AM PST

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    •  Richard Neal's record though (0+ / 0-)

      appears to be consistently progressive.

      My top candidate would be McGovern. He represents some of the most Republican turf in the state (and also a fair amount of pretty liberal West MA turf that he just got), and some of the Worchester areas that Scott Brown did best in. He represents these areas, is a solid progressive, and has never had any trouble getting reelected by huge margins.

      "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

      by ArkDem14 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 04:29:22 PM PST

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      •  Richie is anti-choice (0+ / 0-)

        McGovern has made his presence out here, he came to visit in the little towns and shook hands and met with his new constituents.  Based on the comments of Markey supporters, McGovern, should he choose to run, is a serious candidate for my support.  

        "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

        by Uncle Moji on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:14:03 AM PST

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