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Looking into the Wisconsin election results, at first blush they were very good.  Both Barack Obama and Tammy Baldwin won by impressive margins.  However, down ballot, the picture is grim.  Both Duffy and Ribble won by double digits while we actually lost two State Senate seats and gained little in the Assembly.  So while 2012 was pretty good, Wisconsin Dems return to Madison in basically the same shape in the Senate and Assembly with around the same numbers as 2010, with the exception being Jen Schilling in the 32nd SD.  

The biggest reason, to me, of this is redistricting.  The Republican-drawn maps were absolutely brutal.  This lead me to wonder how things could be different, if history changed and Dems kept their trifecta after the 2010 elections.  With this in mind, I produced what would be my ideal maps.  I have been working on this for awhile, but work obligations kept be busy.  These might upset some Democratic incumbents with some new territory, but on the whole these maps could lead to a 7-1 Congressional Delegation (although 6-2 would be more likely) and solid holds of the Senate and Assembly.  

So lets get started with the Congressional map:

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CD 1 (Blue): Obama (2008 performance) 58.9 Dem 2010 (average of 2010 statewide performance) 51.2

This district changes dramatically to simply include Racine and Kenosha east of I-94 (by and large) and the southern half of Milwaukee county.  This includes the Hispanic southside, Milwaukee downtown, and the East Side.  With such changes, this becomes a Safe Dem seat that would have been perfect for State Senator Chris Larson or any Kenosha or Racine area official.

CD 2 (Dark Green): Obama 61, Dem 2010 53.7

One of the lynchpins of this map would be to split Madison.  This takes the west side of Madison and Dane county and extends to include a lot of reddish rural territory.  Still would be Safe Dem.  Would have been good for State Senator Jon Erpenbach or State Reps Kelda Roys and Fred Clark.  Safe Dem

CD 3 (Purple):  Obama 59.1, Dem 2010 49.2

This district sheds Eau Claire and Menomonee to help out other districts, but that is more than made up by adding Rock County and portions of Dane County.  This takes in more the Twin Cities exurbs to again help out other districts.  Ron Kind or any Dem like State Senator Kathleen Vinehout or state reps Chris Danou (or in my post-2010 scenario) Jen Schilling would make this Safe Dem.

CD 4 (Red):  63.5 Obama, Dem 2010 57.1

The other lynchpin of this map would be to split Milwaukee.  Rep Moore would probably not be happy with having to go into Waukesha county, but this was already not a VRA district, this helps out with the 1st, and she keeps her northside African-American base.  Nevertheless, she would still have the most Dem district in the state, so Safe Dem.

CD 5 (Yellow): Obama 37.5, Dem 2010 27.8

This district becomes even more Republican by expanding into more exurban regions and dropping its inner suburbs.  Sensenbrenner continues to be fine, Safe GOP.

CD 6 (Lime Green): Obama 59.3, Dem 2010 51

This district takes the other portion of Madison and connects it with cities such as Oshkosh, Sheboygan, and Manitowoc.  In the process it would become a very Democratic district that would have been great for State Reps Mark Pocan, Andy Jorgensen, or Gordon Hintz.  

CD 7 (Orange): Obama 57.1, Dem 2010 47.2

This district becomes a little bit more Dem by adding Eau Claire, Adams, and Dunn Counties and losing some rural areas.  In my scenario Duffy would have won but probably would have lost in a rematch with Julie Lassa or to Senators Pat Kreitlow or Russ Decker.  Lean Dem

CD 8 (Slate Blue): Obama 54.7, Dem 2010 43.9

This district would be the most difficult to win and to hold and could switch between parties throughout the decade.  The addition of Menasha, Neenah, and Rhinelander move the district a little to the left, but it would still be a pretty swingy district.  Kagen would have made a good candidate for a rematch.  Tossup or maybe Lean GOP

So the result would be a likely 6-2 Delegation and even a 7-1 in good years.

Now for the State Senate and Assembly maps. In Wisconsin, each Senate district is divided into 3 nested Assembly districts.  Because I wanted to keep some incumbents in their old numbered districts (for comparing old/new districts) the numbering for the Assembly seats is not perfect:

SD 1, AD 1, 25, 26:

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SD 1: 56.5 Obama, 44.9 2010, Tossup
AD 1: 56.4 Obama, 45.7 2010, Tossup
    25: 55 Obama, 43.2 2010, Tossup
    26: 58.3 Obama, 45.7 2010, Lean Dem

This district brings together a lot of the most Dem parts of the 1st and 9th SDs to create a district that stretches from Sheboygan up to Door County and create another takeover opportunity.  

SD 2, AD 5, 6, 89:

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SD 2: 48.5 Obama, 36.7 2010, Safe GOP
AD 5: 47.4 Obama, 35.5 2010, Safe GOP
     6: 50.3 Obama, 38.4 2010, Likely GOP
     89: 48 Obama, 36.4 2010, Safe GOP

Robert Cowles is moved out of the district but this would be safe for any Republican that runs.  We might by able to win the 6th if we get really lucky, but it would be a big climb.

SD 3, AD 7, 8, 9:

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SD 3: 63.4 Obama, 55.6 2010, 45.8 Hispanic pop, 38.9 VAP, Safe Dem
AD 7: 56.7 Obama, 49.2 2010, 29.9 Hispanic pop, 23.8 VAP, Likely Dem
     8: 72.8 Obama, 65.6 2010, 61.3 Hispanic pop, 55.6 VAP, Safe Dem
     9. 64.7 Obama, 56.9 2010, 46.1 Hispanic pop, 38.9 VAP, Safe Dem

This Senate district should elect a Hispanic Senator when Carpenter retires and all three of these seats have the potential to elect a Hispanic State Rep.  I included some Hispanic areas into the 7th AD to shift it into a much safer district.

SD 4, AD 10, 11, 12:

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SD 4: 78.8 Obama, 74.1 2010, 58.8 AA pop, 54.7 AA VAP, Safe Dem
AD 10: 86.4 Obama, 83.5 2010, 65.7 AA pop, 62.1 AA VAP, Safe Dem
AD 11: 72 Obama, 66.2 2010, 54.8 AA pop, 50.6 AA VAP, Safe Dem
AD 12: 78 Obama, 72.9 2010, 55.9 AA pop, 51.3 AA VAP, Safe Dem

This district expands to include some of Waukesha and Ozaukee counties so as to ensure that the 5th SD can be turned into a safe seat, but it would be fine for Lena Taylor.

SD 5, AD 13, 14, 15:

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SD 5: 58.5 Obama, 52.5 2010, Safe Dem
AD 13: 56.5 Obama, 52.1 2010, Safe Dem
AD 14: 60.9 Obama, 54.6 2010, Safe Dem
AD 15: 58.6 Obama, 50.6 2010, Safe Dem

This is my home district being born and bred in Wauwatosa.  This district moves entirely into Milwaukee county to provide a safe seat for would be Senator Jim Sullivan.  Due to population loses and VRA requirements however, I was not able to make both the 5th and 8th better seats. Given in my hypothetical, we would already have an incumbent in the 5th (and since it was my home district), I elected to make the 5th the safe seat.

SD 6, AD 16, 17, 18:

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SD 6: 81.2 Obama, 77.5 2010, 60.9 AA pop, 56.7 AA VAP, Safe Dem
AD 16: 89.9 Obama, 90.5 2010, 69.8 AA pop, 63.8 AA VAP, Safe Dem
     17: 79.5 Obama, 76.6 2010, 58.6. AA pop, 55.5 AA VAP, Safe Dem
     18: 75.5 Obama, 69.9 2010, 54.2 AA pop, 50.7 AA VAP, Safe Dem

Again this district expands into Waukesha to make up for population loses and make the 5th Safe. This still would be safe district for upcoming Senator Nikiya Harris.

SD 7, AD 19, 20, 22:

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SD 7: 63 Obama, 59.4 201, Safe Dem
AD 19: 70.7 Obama, 68.4 2010, Safe Dem
     20: 57.3 Obama, 53.9 2010, Safe Dem
     22: 60.2 Obama, 56.4 2010, Safe Dem

In order to make would-be Senator Lehman's seat safer (as I explain later), Chris Larson supplies the Oak Creek/ South Milwaukee assembly district to Lehman.  To make up the population, Larson takes up what is by and large Sandy Pasch's assembly district.

SD 8, AD 21, 23, 24:

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SD 8: 34.8 Obama, 26.7 2010, Safe GOP
AD 21: 33.6 Obama, 25.1 2010, Safe GOP (most GOP part of the state, known as Lake Country)
     23: 36.2 Obama, 28.6 2010, Safe GOP
     24: 34.6 Obama, 26.2 2010, Safe GOP

Since there is not enough populations to make both the 5th and 8th safe, I chose to help out (in my scenario) the incumbent Dem Senator Sullivan and then let the 8th become another Safe GOP suburban/exurban seat.

SD 9, AD 2, 3, 27:

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SD 9: 44.4 Obama, 32.1 2010, Safe GOP
AD 2: 48.1 Obama, 34.7 2010, Safe GOP
     3: 47.6 Obama, 35.2 2010, Safe GOP
    27: 37.8 Obama, 26.8 2010, Safe GOP

SD 10, AD 28, 29, 30:

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SD 10: 48.2 Obama, 39.2 2010, Safe GOP
AD 28: 48.5 Obama, 40.9 2010, Likely GOP
     29: 47.6 Obama, 37.5 2010, Safe GOP
     30: 48.5 Obama, 39 2010, Safe GOP

By shedding River Falls and Menomonee to help out the 23rd/31st, this becomes Safe GOP. Former Rep Ann Hraychuck might be able to win the 28th.

SD 11, AD 31, 32, 33:

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SD 11: 41.2 Obama, 29.9 2010, Safe GOP
AD 31: 48.7 Obama, 35 2010, Safe GOP
     32: 39.4 Obama, 28.7 2010, Safe GOP
     33: 36.7 Obama, 27.7 2010, Safe GOP

SD 12, AD 34, 86, 87:

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SD 12: 49.5 Obama, 38.6 2010, Likely GOP
AD 34: 47.9 Obama, 38.6 2010, Safe GOP
     86: 48.6 Obama, 38.3 2010, Safe GOP
     87: 52.5 Obama, 39 2010, Likely GOP

My rationale for this district is that the 12 and 29th are both very precarious districts that are in a part of the state that seems to be trending away from us. So in my scenario this would be remedied by putting together the best parts of the districts into one, which as discussed below is the 29th.  Holperin would probably not be happy with this configuration, but he retired anyway.  We might have an outside chance of the 87th AD, but the 2010 numbers suggest that it would be a tough district to win.  

SD 13, AD 42, 46, 47:

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SD 13: 59.9 Obama, 50.8 2010 Safe Dem
AD 42: 60.3 Obama, 51 2010 Safe Dem
     46: 61 Obama, 51.6 2010 Safe Dem
     47: 58.1 Obama, 49.7 2010 Likely Dem

This was one of my most favorite districts to create as it essentially creates a new Dem seat based in the Madison suburbs and exurbs. It mashed together some of the best parts of the old 14th and 13th as well as parts of the 16th.  Reps Fred Clark or Gary Hebl would be good picks for this district.

SD 14, AD, 38, 40, 41:

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SD 14: 45.1 Obama, 34.9 Obama, Safe GOP
     38: 51.4 Obama, 40 Obama, Likely GOP
     40: 46.3 Obama, 36.1 Obama, Safe GOP
     41: 37.7 Obama, 29.3 Obama, Safe GOP

This district mashes together some of the most GOP parts of the old 14th, 13th, and 18th.  While Senator Olson is moved out of the district, this would be safe for any Republican.

SD 15, AD 43, 44, 45:

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SD 15: 63.1 Obama, 53.2 2010, Safe Dem
     43: 60.6 Obama, 50.8 2010, Likely Dem
     44: 67 Obama, 58 2010, Safe Dem
     45: 61.6 Obama, 50.7 2010, Likely Dem

These Assembly districts should have never gone GOP but the combination of crummy candidates and a good GOP year lead to GOP pickups in not just one, but all three of the Assembly seats in 2010.  

SD 16, AD 37, 39, 48:

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SD 16: 66.1 Obama, 60.6 2010, Safe Dem
AD 37: 63.9 Obama, 57.6 2010, Safe Dem
AD 39: 60.5 Obama, 52.5 2010, Safe Dem
     48: 73.8 Obama, 71 2010, Safe Dem

This district ends up creating a new Dem seat in AD 39.  

SD 17, AD 49, 50, 51:

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SD 17: 60.6 Obama, 48.7 2010, Likely GOP with Schultz, Likely with D if open
AD 49: 60.8 Obama, 47.1 2010, Tossup/Lean D
     50: 58.9 Obama, 49.1 2010, Lean GOP with Brooks, Tossup/Lean D if open
     51: 62.1 Obama, 49.9 2010, Tossup/Lean D

These seats have been interesting, in both good and bad ways.  Senator Schultz has been a voice of reason in the GOP caucus, but until he retires it would be hard to take this seat.  The Assembly seats have been really frustrating.  Not only were these seats ones we should not have lost in 2010, but we should have at least taken then 49th and 51st on November 6th. At least with the 50th there is a well-established incumbent.  But it just seems that the people in this corner of the state like to split their tickets and/or the GOP candidates are able to appeal to nominally Dem voters.  Frankly, these are seats we cannot afford to lose if we want any shot of a majority in the Senate and Assembly.  

SD 18, AD 52, 53, 54:

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SD 18: 53 Obama, 42.8 2010, Likely R Tossup with King
AD 52: 50.4 Obama, 39.8 2010, Likely GOP
     53: 47.7 Obama, 38.3 2010, Safe GOP
    54: 61.2 Obama, 51.3 2010, Safe D

One of the most painful results of the 6th was seeing Jess King lose in another close race, losing by around 600 votes, in a repeat of 2008.  In my scenario, there would be no recalls (due to Dems retaining the trifecta) so there would have been no recalls. But if King wanted to make it a rematch, she would have been a fierce contender especially if the stuff against Randy Hopper still came to light.  Additionally this shifted slightly Dem due to the inclusion of Ripon and rural Winnebago instead of rural Fond du Lac county.  

SD 19, AD 55, 56, 57:

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SD 19: 58.5 Obama, 49.4 2010, Likely R with Eliis, Likely D if open
AD 55: 59 Obama, 49.3 2010, Likely R with Kaufert, Likely D if open
     56: 58 Obama, 49 2010, Likely D
     57: 58.6 Obama, 49.9 2010, Safe D

By bringing together all the Fox Valley cities, this becomes a very Democratic Senate seat. Even so, Senator Ellis and Rep. Kaufert are personally popular, so they should be fine but when they retire these seats should be very ripe for the picking.    

SD 20, AD 58, 59, 60:

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SD 20: 38.3 Obama, 27.5 2010, Safe GOP
AD 58: 41.4 Obama, 29.6 2010, Safe GOP
     59: 37.8 Obama, 27 2010, Safe GOP
     60: 35.9 Obama, 26.2 2010, Safe GOP

SD 21, AD 61, 62. 63:

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SD 21: 58.6 Obama, 49.7 2010, Likely D
AD 61: 50.4 Obama, 42.1 2010, Likely R
     62: 64.7 Obama, 55.5 2010, Safe D
     63: 61.8 Obama, 53.2 2010, Safe D

As a I mentioned above I swapped some areas to make this a pretty solid seat for Lehman.  By exchanging some of the exurban areas of Racine county west of I-94 for Oak Creek and South Milwaukee (which are significantly less GOP) this becomes quite Democratic.

SD 22, AD 64, 65, 66:

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SD 22: 57.7 Obama, 47.5 2010, Likely D
AD 64: 64.4 Obama, 55.8 2010, Safe D
     65: 61.7 Obama, 52.9 2010, Safe D
     66: 47.5 Obama, 36.2 2010, Safe R

SD 23, AD 67, 68, 93:

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SD 23: 57.7 Obama, 47.7 2010, Likely D
AD 67: 52.1 Obama, 40.9 2010, Likely GOP
     68: 59.9 Obama, 50 2010, Safe D
     93: 60.2 Obama, 51.5 2010, Safe D

In my scenario, Senator Kreitlow would have been rewarded with getting the rest of Eau Claire county, as well as losing some reddish rural areas.  Both AD 93 and 68 are more seats that we should not have lost, but only lost them by less than 100 votes in 2010 and these districts are just a little bit better.  We might be able to get 67 in a good year, but should stay Republican.

SD 24, AD 70, 71, 72:

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SD 24: 59 Obama, 48.1 2010, Likely D
AD 70: 58.9 Obama, 47.4 2010, Likely D
     71: 60.8 Obama, 50.9 2010, Safe D
     72: 57 Obama, 45.8 2010, Lean D

AD 72 was another tough loss in 2010. We just barely lost taking it back in 2012 even though it was made redder.  This brings it back to its lean Dem orientation.

SD 25, AD 73, 74, 75:

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SD 25: 58.9 Obama, 51.5 2010, Safe D
     73: 61.2 Obama, 53.7 2010, Safe D
     74: 59.2 Obama, 51 2010, Safe D
     75: 56.3 Obama, 50.1 201, Likely D

While the Senate district does not change much, I tried to change the configuration of the Assembly districts to make 75 better.  This means trying to include some of the areas by Lake Superior. However, due to population distribution, this spaghetti strips formation results.  The reason for the touch-point continuity for AD 73 is that I cannot split the Town of Wascott in southeastern Douglas county.

SD 26, AD 76, 77, 78:

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SD 26: 81.2 Obama, 80.9 2010, Safe D
AD 76: 79.3 Obama, 77.6 2010, Safe D
     77: 79.2 Obama, 78.9 2010, Safe D
     78: 85.2 Obama, 86.1 2010, Safe D

Have to love Madison.

SD 27, AD 79, 80, 81:

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SD 27: 65.7 Obama, 60 2010, Safe D
AD 79: 67.7 Obama, 63.1 2010, Safe D
     80: 63.4 Obama, 55.6 2010, Safe D
     81: 65.9 Obama, 60.9 2010, Safe D

SD 28, AD 82, 83, 84:

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SD 28: 39.8 Obama, 32.2 2010, Safe GOP
AD 82: 44.3 Obama, 36.5 2010, Safe GOP
     83: 41.8 Obama, 35 2010, Safe GOP
     84: 33.6 Obama, 26 2010, Safe GOP

SD 29, AD 35, 36, 85:

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SD 29: 56.7 Obama, 45.8 2010, Likely D with Decker, Tossup if Open
AD 35: 56.5 Obama, 41.6 2010, Tossup
     36: 56.2 Obama, 42.3 2010, Tossup
     85: 57.4 Obama, 48 2010, Lean D

As I mentioned above, I wanted to bring together the best parts of the 12th and 29th to provide a district that would be much better for us to hold. This would still be a tossup if open, but it would be a district that would be easier to win.  Additionally, the 35th and 36 become somewhat winnable.

SD 30, AD 4, 88, 90:

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SD 30: 57.6 Obama, 47.1 2010, Likely D with Hansen, Lean D if Open
AD 4: 53.1 Obama, 42.2 2010, Lean R
     88: 60.8 Obama, 50.2 2010, Safe D
    90: 59.9 Obama, 50.3 2010, Safe D

This district becomes a little safer by brining in inner suburbs of Green Bay.  Additionally, AD 4 becomes a somewhat winnable district.

SD 31, AD 69, 91, 92:

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SD 31: 57.4 Obama, 46.4 2010, Likely D with Vinehout, Lean D if Open
    69: 57.8 Obama, 48.1 2010, Likely D
    91: 58 Obama, 46.2 2010, Safe D with Danou, Lean D if Open
    92: 56.2 Obama, 44.9 2010, Likely D with Radcliffe, Tossup if Open

While Vinehout loses Eau Claire to help Kreitlow, she makes up for by getting Menomonee and River Falls.

SD 32, AD 94, 95, 96:

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SD 32: 60.6 Obama, 49.9 2010, Lean R/Tossup with Kapanke, Safe D if Open
     94: 61.4 Obama, 49.9 2010, Safe D
     95: 60.5 Obama, 50.1 2010, Safe D
     96: 59.9 Obama, 49.7 2010, Lean R with Nerrison, Likely D if Open

In my scenario the recalls would not have happened, so Kapanke would still be Senator. However, as with SD 17, there becomes many pick-up opportunities for Senate and Assembly upon retirement.

SD 33, AD 97, 98, 99:

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SD 33: 38.1 Obama, 29.6 2010, Safe R
AD 97: 34.8 Obama, 28.2 2010, Safe R
    98: 34.5 Obama, 26.5 2010, Safe R
    99: 46.9 Obama, 36.4 2010, Safe R (most Dem Assembly district possible in Waukesha county)

For the Senate, this map would have shored up Kreitlow, Sullivan, Lehman, and Decker.  While we would lose the 12th, there would be a nearly guaranteed pickup in the 13th, reasonable pickups for the 1st, 17th, 19th, and 32nd, and a potential pickup in the 18th.  Thus, this map would lead to a solid Senate majority with the potential for 22 seats.  
For the Assembly, this map would produce (give or take a few seats) 55 Dem-leaning seats, 8 tossups, and 36 Republican leaning seats.  So this should produce a Democratic majority, if not as solid as the Senate.

In terms of the actual map. There is some hope for taking back majorities in both chambers, but it would be difficult.   For the Senate we have to see what 2014 and 2018 bring.  That is because those years contain our best chances for pickups.  The 1st, 17th, 19th, 23rd and 29th are up these years.  As for 2016 and 2020, only 12 and 18 seem like possible pickups and would both be pretty difficult.   However we only need 2 seats, Schultz and Ellis will not be around forever, and both seats would be pretty favorable in an open seat situation.  So it would not be unreasonably difficult to take back the Senate.

The Assembly is another story.  We need to net 11 seats to take back the majority.  Fortunately, there were 11 seats that went Republican on the 6th that we lost by less than 10 points and in some cases, by only a couple of points.  Those seats are the 1, 26, 37, 49, 50, 51, 67, 68, 72, 88, and 93. Some of these seats (like the 1st and 50th) as well as the 96th should become more favorable when the incumbents retire.   Unfortunately, it is unlikely that we will have the tailwinds we had this year with Obama and Baldwin as well as the strong field organization they brought, especially given that at this point Walker is a favorite for re-election.  So while there is a path for taking back the Assembly, it is a very steep hill to climb.  

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  •  Well Done (2+ / 0-)
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    PatriciaVa, Milhawkee

    We need to get you to Maidson when the next redistricting happens...........can you redraw it so Seneslessbrenner represents all of Lake Michigan??

    Give peace a chance get up and dance... Alvin Lee/Ten Years After

    by Blue Collar on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:11:12 PM PST

  •  Amazingly great work! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    PatriciaVa

    I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night, alive as you and me.

    by plankbob on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:18:03 PM PST

  •  No such thing as Brutal, criminal (1+ / 0-)
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    PatriciaVa

    The GOP is a criminal organization and needs to treated as such.

    RICO act needs to used against their activities and legal action enacted to correct these criminal actions.

  •  'Tis a helluva lot to absorb, but very nice work. (0+ / 0-)

    At least now I know where it's reasonably safe to go take my family camping.    ;-)

    "Four more years!" (Obama Unencumbered - The Sequel)

    by jwinIL14 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:34:28 PM PST

  •  It only proves (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, WisJohn, dufffbeer

    That off year and down ballot races matter.

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:34:51 PM PST

  •  Ohio's a Similar Nightmare and May Get Worse (0+ / 0-)

    thanks to Republican voter suppression war that's just now wrapping up with provisional ballot counting and disallowing.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:36:27 PM PST

  •  North Carolina is even worse (1+ / 0-)
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    WisJohn

    Have you look at redistricting in NC? Republicans have made sure they keep majorities in both NC Senate and NC House for years to come. And I believe they have done it all over the country.
    Winning the USA - House has become a nightmare for Democrats. I doubt it will happen in 2014 or 2016.
    With the Supreme Court set to rule on the Voting Right's act in favor of Republicans ... We are looking at nightmare scenarios in the next 8 years.
    The Presidency is something we need to make sure we keep in our hands for good. And let's organize to get ride of these Republican Governors, starting in 2013 in VA, NJ ...
    We MUST Organize again.

    Don't forget to register to vote here: http://netrootsradio.blogspot.com/p/register-to-vote.html

    by bepanda on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 09:29:13 PM PST

    •  Yup. We've got our eyes on the wrong prize (2+ / 0-)
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      WisJohn, Glenn Magus Harvey

      I hear a LOT of people talking on here about taking the House back in 2014. To me, that's not just misguided, it's actually dangerous.

      In 2012, we got 1 million more votes for Democratic House members than for Republicans. (48.8% Democratic vs 48.47% Republican). We didn't get the House. In fact, if we shifted those numbers so that the Democrats got an additional 3% in every single district in the US, making it 51.5% to 45.47%, we still wouldn't have won the house. People are talking about making this another 'wave' election along the lines of 2006 or 2008. If 2006 or 2008 happened again, the Republicans would still hold the House. It wouldn't even be particularly close. They've gerrymandered that well.

      What are the chances we could engineer a wave election dramatically more favorable to us than 2008 was, in an off year, with the economy somewhere between awful and fair? (Let's face it: it's not going to be fully recovered in two years.)

      Instead, we should be concentrating on two things: keeping the Senate, and getting control of more state governments. If we could get laws passed in more states that take redistricting out of the hands of the legislatures for 2020, then we might have a chance at getting the House back in 2022 and beyond. Of course, we'd have to hold onto the states at least through 2020 so the Republicans couldn't just take back redistricting power — this is vital enough that they  wouldn't care how it looked.

      Sadly, Democrats don't seem to think that this stuff is important. We should be spending money like water on these state races. Most of them are gerrymandered just as effectively as the House races are, but it's a lot easier to shift a thousand votes than it is ten thousand. It sure is a pity the 50-state strategy is dead...

      Sadly, the 50 state

  •  I doubt the Dems would have split Dane County (1+ / 0-)
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    especially since Roys and Pocan both had congressional ambitions and could have had a real challenge in at least the primary in those districts. It's probably better to keep Dane whole and treat the rest of the district as another Republican vote sink (though don't put any of the MKE exurbs in there!).

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    by fearlessfred14 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 10:10:48 PM PST

  •  I'm not sure we could have passed the congress map (0+ / 0-)

    There are a lot of googoos who would have objected. Also, Petri might be able to hold on for a few cycles in your 6th, since he always overperformed, but we'd beat him within the decade and hold the seat for the foreseeable future.

    I'd also love for Dave Hansen to run in the 8th.

    Overall, nice work. I'll have comments on the legislative maps when I have time to digest them, but for a casual glance it looks like you were pretty brutal.

    •  As a Wisconsin "googoo" who is appalled (1+ / 0-)
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      at what happened in the GOP redistricting past cycle -- I'm not in favor of brutality in either direction.

      This is an arms race that needs to stop.  We need non-partisan redistricting... and we could have had it, too, if the Wisconsin Democrats had put it in place when we won the trifecta in 2008.

      Instead, the party got greedy, hoped to slice-and-dice in the vein that the diarist suggests.  Lost the bet big-time, and now our state is suffering the result.

      If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

      by AnnieJo on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:28:39 AM PST

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      •  I support a NATIONAL nopartisan comission (4+ / 0-)

        for redistricting, not unilateral disarmament. If we get nasty gerrymanders in the Republican controlled states but nonpartisan maps in all the Dem controlled states, we might as well give up on ever controlling government ever.

        It's sorta like how I support an overturn of Citizens United and sensible campaign finance reform, but think that in the mean time, Democrats would be stupid to refrain from forming SuperPacs.

        Also, there's no way Democrats could have by themselves created a non-partisan commission in Wisconsin that Republicans couldn't have just undone. Consistutional amendments here take passage in two consecutive state legislative sessions followed by a state wide vote, and we only held the Assembly for one session.

  •  Lege Map comments: (3+ / 0-)
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    -The first SD is great, we would probably be slightly favored in an open seat scenario.
    -I know you've done the compact GB senate seat before, but it makes a lot CoI sense and I'm not sure why the court didn't do it in one of our previous maps.
    -Your 3rd SD Assembly seats might run afoul of VRA - you only have one of the at 50% Hispanic VAP when it's easy to make 2.
    -I love that you made the 8th safe GOP while drawing Darling out of it. I'm not sure if that was intentional or not, although chances are she'd just move.
    -I realize she probably isn't an incumbent in your hypothetical of us not getting crushed in 2010, but I wonder if this map was just put in place now if Amy Loudenbeck would move to run in the new AD 31.
    -Triaging Holperin like you did would probably guarantee his vote against the map, but we wouldn't have needed his vote. And who knows, he DID retire this year.
    -Your 13th SD is absolutely glorious. pairing Beaver Dam with Sun Prarie Prairie make a lot of heads explode in Dodge county, and you basically replace Scott Fitgerald's district with a safe D one.
    -If you wanted to be really brutal, you could split Janesville, but we have no right losing any of those seats anyways so why bother upsetting people?
    -Nice Work on SD 19, I could actually see us winning this in a half decent year without an Ellis retirement, since he isn't as entrenched as Schultz. I also like that you brought out the full Democratic potential for Assembly seats in the Fox River valley, where we are right now is pretty brutal due to all the splits.
    -Nice move with SD-21, exchanging rural Racine county for Oak Creek / South Milwaukee, even though they're both Republican areas to make the seat safe was clever. Not sure I would have thought of that.
    -There's part of me that wants to baconmander Kenosha to mess with Robin Vos, but it probably isn't worth it.
    -Why is the Donna Seidel district only rated lean D? I'd put it at at least likely.
    -Uniting Eau Claire under SD-23 and throwing Menominee and River Falls into SD-31 was a nice touch. Your new AD-69 has got to have a pretty high percentage of college students.

    Overall great map, really shows what a disaster for the ages the 2010 election was. The real beauty of it was your amazing GOP vote sinks, they made the rest of the map possible.

    •  TLDR version: (2+ / 0-)
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      (Or version for people who don't have enough knowledge of Wisconsin geography / state politics to get what I said):

      -Glame's map is amazing and awsome and the fact that we can't have it because redistricting wasn't 2 years earlier gives me a sad, however I do have some VRA concerns about the ADs in his third SD.

    •  Agree about the 3rd SD (1+ / 0-)
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      The main reason why I did not make another >50 percent seats is I wanted to help out the 7th AD. In its pre-2012 form it was a pretty conservative district that was bound to elect a Republican whenever Krusick (who was a pretty conservative Dem in the first place) retired.   So the my solution was to include more of the Hispanic areas.  
      The flip side is the argument that the Hispanic population in the 9th is large enough to make it a Hispanic opportunity seat.   In terms of VAP, it is a majority minority seat.  Even with the 7th, the Hispanic population is still substantial and there is the potential to elect a Hispanic rep.

      In terms of the 85th, looking at the numbers again it does seem more like Likely D.
      In terms of the 69th, it is somewhat similar story as the 43rd and in your neck of the woods, the 45th.  If students at Stout, River Falls, Whitewater, and BC turnout at least halfway decently, we should win.  But when they don't, well we saw what happened.

      Holperin probably would be pissed but if there is any Dem that could win that seat, it would be him.

      In terms of the GB seat, I think because Cowles lives in Allouez might have made them reluctant to put both of them together.

      I also agree about go-gos and there would probably be outrage over the map but at the end of the day Republicans were just slammed for their maps and for the whole secrecy oaths issue. But at the end of the day, Ribble and Duffy kept their seats easy and the Republicans were able to return with majorities similar to what they had after 2010.  That, plus I think both Decker and Sheridan would both be devious enough to get aggressive maps passed.  

      Social Democrat, WI-05

      by glame on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:05:11 AM PST

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      •  You really need a 60% VAP Hispanic seat (1+ / 0-)
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        to be sure it's 50% CVAP. The Republicans drew two 53% Hispanic VAP seats and got them struck down by the Voces de la Frontera lawsuit.

        Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02. "You're damn right we're making a difference!" - Senator-Elect Tammy Baldwin (D-Madison)

        by fearlessfred14 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:34:26 AM PST

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        •  Yeah, about that lawsuit (0+ / 0-)

          I cannot help but by cynical and think that the lawsuit was more about the entire map than a couple of Assembly seats.  The VRA issues added more legitimacy to the case than just talking about the odd/even number shifts.  
          I do not think that a nominally Dem-leaning group would take a map to court the protects and builds Dem majorities in Senate and Assembly.  But then again we have seen minority groups join with Republicans to produce maps that disadvantage Democrats.

          Social Democrat, WI-05

          by glame on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:45:38 AM PST

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      •  I'm symathetic to the way (1+ / 0-)
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        you drew the 3rd SD seats. I think I practice, all of them would have been likely to elect a Hispanic Democrat, however, that's not the way VRA works.

        The elegant solution to the Holperin situation would have been to promise him a high ranking job in the Doyle / Lawton / Barrett (whoever would be governor under your hypothetical) administration. As his retirement shows, he was pretty much done serving in the Senate.

        I think the biggest obstacle to passage would have been the Assembly - Peg Krusick would have inevitably concern trolled, Gary Hebl would have been unhappy (although he probably would have ultimately voted for it), and there are probably some other parochial concerns I'm not thinking of.

        Oh, and just because I feel compelled to defend my school, we actually didn't have completely horrible turnout in 2010. We had 589 people turn out in the ward that's mostly campus, and considering the high number of international students and people who vote out of state we have, that's actually pretty darn good for a college campus in a midterm. While it's certainly not the 905 we got this year, it wasn't what killed Roger.

  •  Amazing work, glame (2+ / 0-)
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    How long did this take you? (Just curious.)

    Also, I should know this, but which Senate seats did we lose?

    Political Director, Daily Kos

    by David Nir on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:13:19 AM PST

  •  Very nice (0+ / 0-)

    Although I'd like to see Fond du Lac in the yellow district, and "force" Petri to run against Sensenbrenner.

    Now if I can volunteer a different task... how about an objective, non-partisan map?

    Mr. Gorbachev, establish an Electoral College!

    by tommypaine on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:19:45 PM PST

  •  "Hispanic southside" (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't doubt it's true, but I was stunned to see your reference to Milwaukee's "Hispanic southside." I've been away from Wisconsin long enough so that I remember the southside as being predominantly Polish, with Clement Zablocki as its congressman.

    •  There are still a lot of Poles (0+ / 0-)

      In the southern parts of Milwaukee county, however, most of the areas in the city itself are now at least plurality Hispanic.

    •  Many of the old Polish neighborhoods are Latino (0+ / 0-)

      probably because Latino immigrants found it more comfortable to move to an area that was already Catholic. That said, many Poles are still there, as the racial numbers in SD3 indicate (most of the white population in SD3 is probably Polish or otherwise Eastern European).

      Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02. "You're damn right we're making a difference!" - Senator-Elect Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin)

      by fearlessfred14 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:07:46 PM PST

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  •  Non-partisan redistricting commission (1+ / 0-)
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    A few commenters have mentioned the possibility of an independent redistricting commission, modeled after California's. I think movements to establish these commissions need to be far more common. I wish the calls for redistricting commissions were louder, particularly within the DKos community.

    Sadly, among the blue states where Republican-controllled state government resulted in a terrible gerrymandered map (Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio), only Ohio and Michigan have a citizen-referred initiative process, and thus prospects to establish a commission appear to be dim for the immediate future. (North Carolina and Texas also have redder maps than the statewide vote warrants, but citizen-referred initiatives are also nonexistent there, and so prospects appear even dimmer).

    Ohio rejected an initiative to establish a nonpartisan commission on Election day. I don't know the particulars about why it was so soundly defeated there. My view is that an initiative to establish an independent redistricting commission, were it possible in Wisconsin, would have more of a shot there, since "fairness" is part of the political ether. (Didn't exit polls show that the attempted recall of Scott Walker failed partly because many voters opposed recalls on principle, even if they strongly disliked Walker?).

    •  We'd need the legislature for two sessions (0+ / 0-)

      which is a tall order given the Fitzmander.

      Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02. "You're damn right we're making a difference!" - Senator-Elect Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin)

      by fearlessfred14 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:15:05 PM PST

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