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U.S. Representative Michele Bachmann, a Minnesota Republican known for her uncompromising views and firebrand style, said she plans to run for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

“I filed my paperwork to seek the office of the presidency today,” Bachmann, 55, a favorite of Tea Party and anti-abortion activists, said yesterday during a Republican presidential debate sponsored by CNN.

Her filing with the Federal Election Commission allows Bachmann to begin fundraising and other organizational efforts for a presidential bid. Bachmann said she would “very soon” formally announce her candidacy.

I refuse to underestimate her chances of winning the GOP nomination, but if she craters out, will she still run for re-election to her current post? Bachmann says she won't run for the House while she's running for the presidency, but Minnesota's unusual nominating convention system might cause some problems for her. MN's convention process starts around the same time as the presidential primaries get underway, so if she survives the early gauntlet but fades after the first few rounds, she might have to force an unusual congressional primary in her home district to stay in the House. She could also see her seat eviscerated in redistricting before she has the chance to make up her mind, so if we're really lucky, we'll be done with Michele Bachmann once and for all come next year.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Elections on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 11:41 AM PDT.

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  •  She could win Iowa, but not the nomination (8+ / 0-)

    She has too much competition for the nutjob vote.  And once Perry gets in, her chances in South Carolina, and a lot of other southern states, will diminish.

    •  competition? (6+ / 0-)

      Santorum, Gingrich and Roy Moore are hopeless.  Paul's appeal is too limited (too radical for moderate GOP voters, but not radical enough for the teabaggers).  Cain might not have the skill to run a good campaign.  Palin's not running.  And I'm not sure if Perry will catch on.  

      It might be that Bachmann is this year's Mike Huckabee.  It would be great for the Dems if she won.

      •  Competition (4+ / 0-)
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        Each vote for Gingrich, Santorum, Cain and (probably) Paul is a vote lost to Bachman.  That will hurt her in the early states.  Perry, if he gets in, will be the favorite in South Carolina, and steal a lot of her thunder and votes.  As governor of Texas, and a total loon, he'll catch on.

        I think the nomination will come down to him and Romney.  If he doesn't get in, then Bachman could end up being the alternative to Romney.  But in the end I would look for Romney to beat her in a lot of the big states, thereby securing the nomination.

        •  IIRC, the RNC changed the primary (3+ / 0-)
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          to proportional vote rather than winner takes all.  So winning the big states doesn't matter nearly as much anymore for the GOP.

          •  It's not all proportional vote. (2+ / 0-)
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            The first four states - Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina and any states with primaries in March are proportional vote. Any states after March are winner-take-all. Not a bad idea. It keeps the primary from dragging out like it did for the Democrats in 2008. Hillary would have been done earlier and saved Obama some serious money had the Democrats had that plan.

            President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

            by askew on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:09:49 PM PDT

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            •  I completely disagree (6+ / 0-)

              that drawn-out battle betwen Hilary and Obama was the GREATEST GIFT to Obama the candidate. It sharpened him, focused him, honned his message by the time McCain came along. Overall it made Obama a better candidate...We feared that both could emerge damaged goods..but Oh boy it was just the reverse....

              The first four states - Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina and any states with primaries in March are proportional vote. Any states after March are winner-take-all. Not a bad idea. It keeps the primary from dragging out like it did for the Democrats in 2008. Hillary would have been done earlier and saved Obama some serious money had the Democrats had that plan.

              "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

              by tuma on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:21:17 PM PDT

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            •  The Electoral College (0+ / 0-)

              is winner take all - it never made sense to me that the delegates were selected differently.

              The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

              by fladem on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 02:47:03 PM PDT

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              •  Personally, it never made sense to me (3+ / 0-)
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                to elect our president using a system that disenfranchises voters in deep blue states like California and deep red states like Utah. Proportionally distributed EC delegates are preferable to the status quo (though still not ideal)

                "Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labeled Utopian."

                by xcave on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 03:09:20 PM PDT

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            •  Unfair (2+ / 0-)
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              You're overlooking the human element here. Both campaigns played with the rules they were provided with. You can't just construct alternate realities like that. If Democrats had winner-takes-all, Hillary and Obama would have both run their campaigns differently and distributed their resources in a different fashion. I think it's more likely that, given how talented both Obama and Hillary were in terms of political skills and strategy, the primary would have still drag on

              "Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labeled Utopian."

              by xcave on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 03:07:09 PM PDT

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        •  Those others will get nothing (7+ / 0-)

          Gingrich is a joke and will get no support.  More likely than not he will have dropped out before Iowa.  The others will stay for Iowa but won't register, then will drop out, except Paul who has his sycophants but they're only a tiny part of the nutjob vote.

          Bachmann is well on her way to consolidating the hard right support if she can raise the money she needs, which she has the potential to do.

          Perry could be a problem, but I agree with Josh Marshall at TPM that Perry is more likely to end up like Fred Thompson than anything else.  I think it's too late to jump in, and if Perry really wanted it, he would've jumped in awhile ago.

          Charlie Cook for once had a good column about Gingrich that applies here.  Link:  http://www.theatlantic.com/...

          Key excerpt:

          If you are running for president and your life doesn't suck, you obviously are not making a serious bid for the White House (or didn't have much of one before).

          It means very few days off, very few nights at home, hundreds of hours of dialing for dollars and begging before groups large and small for money, and countless, mindless stump speeches, saying the same thing over and over again, trying to sound earnest and engaged every single time.

          Spend a day with a top-run presidential candidate and it becomes clear:  It is about as unglamorous and grinding as it can be.  It's about little sleep and bad food.  It's about mindless chatter with people you would rather not be talking to.  It's about flying commercial for as long as possible so that your campaign can afford to buy voter lists of previous Iowa caucus attendees.

          It is about doing what you have to do, not cherry-picking the events that sound fun or intellectually challenging.

          Do you see Perry living that life?  I don't.  He's Governor of Texas now, the new RGA Chair, on top of the world, and running for Prez is a tantalizing temptation but that's a long way from committing to the life Cook correctly describes.  It's why Barbour and so many others have passed.

          Bachmann is willing to live that sucky life.  So is Romney.  So is Pawlenty.  Santorum, too, I suppose, but I don't know how much he's really doing since few people are at all interested in him.  Paul is a different creature with hiis own groupies doing a lot of his heavy lifting, but his ceiling is extremely low.

          43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:08:17 PM PDT

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          •  This why Palin would never run... (6+ / 0-)

             

            It is about as unglamorous and grinding as it can be.

            ...she cannot take the grind..too fragile...

            "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

            by tuma on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:25:08 PM PDT

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            •  Yup. Or she'll run like Gingrich and... (3+ / 0-)
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              ...humiliate herself beyond all belief.

              But you know, unlike Gingrich, she actually did this before, for a couple months with McCain.  So she really has lived this life once, willingly.

              Problem is, she was a mess.  She hated it, she wasn't willing to do what others told her to do.  She loved the life of stumping and retail campaigning, which is more than what Gingrich is willing to do.  But she still lacked discipline.

              I can see Palin running and imploding like Newt, but it will look slightly different because she'll at least do more work than he did.  But it will just be a more drawn out disaster.

              43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

              by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:37:26 PM PDT

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              •  The whole Paul Revere thing was wrong in the media (1+ / 0-)
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                What she said wasn't even the most fun part, it was the fear in her eyes while she said it that was priceless.  Palin just simply can't cut it, as much as she'd like to.

              •  Well, she did this before with someone else (0+ / 0-)

                running the show, and giving her something like a $150K budget for clothes. Not like running for the top job. I agree with someone on BBC who said she is just trying to increase the value of her "celebrity brand."

                Pollan's Rule: Cook! What two people eat for dinner: My 365 Dinners 2011

                by pixxer on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 06:53:03 PM PDT

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          •  Romney/Bachmann 2012 (1+ / 0-)
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            That is the strongest ticket the GOP can run. They get  Palin with a higher IQ and a McCain with a lower age...perfect!

            •  I doubt Romney would pick her (2+ / 0-)
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              Her history of making shit up breaks a cardinal rule with the VP pick, do no harm.

              •  Well. McCain dramatically violated that rule. (0+ / 0-)

                Of course, it did indeed do him harm. He lost a lot of votes the moment people found out what he had chosen. My one and only diary relates my Mom's conversion. A lifelong Democrat, she was going to vote for McCain till the day he chose Palin. Bachmann is not as obviously a dimwit, unfortunately. She could masquerade as a reasonable choice for anyone who was not paying good attention.

                [Postscript: Mom loves Obama, but wishes he would fight harder for good Democratic stuff.]

                Pollan's Rule: Cook! What two people eat for dinner: My 365 Dinners 2011

                by pixxer on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 07:00:22 PM PDT

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            •  Oh, please. He can do better than Bachmann. (0+ / 0-)

              Why not Romney and Rob Portman? Or Romney and Bob McDonnell? Romney and Brian Sandoval? Romney and Susanna Martinez? Romney and Jeb Bush?

              Or were you referring to the Democratic perspective? I think she'd be just as good for us as Palin was last time, but in slightly different ways.

          •  agree 1000% (0+ / 0-)
        •  I just can't believe (1+ / 0-)
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          Romney will be able to live down Romney care.

          She has a real shot at the nomination, and I would rather run against anyone else with the exception of  Perry.

          The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

          by fladem on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 02:46:15 PM PDT

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          •  That's what was so infuriating about the debate. (1+ / 0-)
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            He was asked about RomneyCare, but unless I missed something, he wasn't forced to go near the issue of the mandate, which is really the only controversial part. It's kind of incredible, actually. He's allowed to skate by and bring up taxes and regulation and the rights of states.

        •  I sorta wonder if Perry gets in (0+ / 0-)

          If we're gonna see a Huckabee / Romney act with Bachman and Perry, but with Romney playing McCain.

      •  I think Bachmann as this year's Huckabee (3+ / 0-)
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        is right on.

        Not that they are the same candidate, but she'll finish the same spot in the primary (basically second) by appealing to evangelical voters.  I think she wins Iowa handily.  

        But I expect between Iowa and SC that the right wing media will shift to backing Romney and basically take Bachmann down.  The party bigwigs can't have her be the nominee because they know she can't beat Obama.

      •  Paul isn't really "not radical enough" (2+ / 0-)
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        so much as not radical in the right ways.

      •  Roy Moore is running again? (0+ / 0-)
  •  I think she could win the nom (9+ / 0-)

    Of course, I'm also crazy. So we'll see.

    Independent Socialist (-6.62, -4.05) and Vice-Chair of DKE Cranky Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

    by Bob R Bobson on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 11:56:38 AM PDT

  •  As long as there are comebacks, we'll have Michele (4+ / 0-)
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    Bachmann to kick around. Conservatives see Al Franken as a very vulnerable incumbent in 2014. If Bachmann doesn't get elected to anything in 2012, she'll spent the next two years running for Al's seat, in what would probably be the most epic matchup of the year. This is actually a smart play on her part to try to box out any other ambitious Minnesota Republicans looking to win the nomination. And ultimately it helps us because it probably prevents the GOP from nominating a more electable candidate.

  •  She's my bet for the Republican nomination. (5+ / 0-)
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    She's going to win Iowa and South Carolina, which will offset Romney's wins in Nevada and New Hampshire. She has the ability to raise serious money. The base of the party trusts her. She's going to have all the volunteers she'll need to GOTV and she's hired some top-notch campaign staff.

    And unlike Palin, she is not a moron and she has an ability to reign in the crazy.

    I think we are going to have a Bachmann/Romney vs. Obama/Biden contest in 2012.

    President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

    by askew on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:13:57 PM PDT

    •  I don't doubt (5+ / 0-)

      that there will be establishment Republicans who rightfully fear and try to stop her, mostly by supporting another candidate like Romney, but will it be enough? The political science students here can tell me if I am wrong, but my impression is that primary voters aren't as easily manipulated as regular voters. Thus, if enough of them like Bachmann and vote for her, she will win, regardless of what the establishment crowd wants--something that becomes even more true, I think, if she wins some early contests.

    •  the ability to rein in the crazy? (4+ / 0-)
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      really? That Michelle?

      A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

      by jo fish on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:00:54 PM PDT

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    •  I don't even think Romney has a lock... (6+ / 0-)

      On New Hampshire. After all, didn't a recent poll of GOP primary voters there show a strong majority opposing "Romneycare"? At one point in late 2007, wasn't he favored to win New Hampshire then?

      And even though Romney does have plenty of advantages here in Nevada, he's also made plenty of enemies among the teabaggers who hate him for the same reasons they hate the local "establishment" pols. Pon Raul may finish a strong second again, depending on how well Bachmann can pull together the teabaggers.

      •  But, if Romney doesn't win NH, who does? (3+ / 0-)
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        I don't think NH will go for Bachmann. Pawlenty, Gingrich and Huntsman are also-rans. Who does that leave, Paul? I think Romney wins because there isn't anyone else to represent the business side of the party.

        I trust you on Nevada. I would have thought that was Romney's easiest state of the 4, but you know the state better than I do.

        President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

        by askew on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:14:07 PM PDT

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        •  Stranger things have happened in NH... (1+ / 0-)
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          Bachmann or Pon Raul may be able to pull a surprise, depending on how many moderates vs. teabaggers show up. And even if Romney does win a plurality, it may not be enough to stop whoever emerges as the "anti-establishment/anti-Romney" if it's a close finish coming off a painful Iowa loss (which now looks to be more possible).

          In many ways, it feels like Romney's campaign may be starting to repeat the same mistakes of Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign. He can put out the "air of inevitability" as much as he wants, but if he doesn't have a strong enough ground game AND he has a large faction of the GOP wanting to defeat him, he'll be in for a rude awakening next year.

          •  Ron Paul's ceiling in NH is probably 15 percent (1+ / 0-)
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            And the Bachmann-type religious right candidates almost never muster strong showings here. Romney probably will win rather handily, given moderate Independents have no Democratic primary to engage in. Couple that with the lack of another moderate and Romney could post a ginormous margin among non-affiliateds. That's why someone like Giuliani would prove his greatest threat there.

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            by andyroo312 on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:48:13 PM PDT

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            •  The NH exception was Pat Buchanan (0+ / 0-)

              He gave Bush 41 a big scare in '92 and then won it in '96.

              And Buchanan was (and is) a crazed, racist, anti-semitic culture warrior.

              So it's been done.

              And Romney is the kind of Dole-ish candidate who could be done in.

              But yeah, still a big longshot.

              43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

              by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 07:44:00 PM PDT

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        •  Ordinarily (0+ / 0-)

          I would say whoever wins Iowa will be Romney's biggest threat.

          But Romney was at 41 in the latest poll - which is a good number for a front runner.

          The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

          by fladem on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 02:50:12 PM PDT

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      •  Romney has a 41 to 9 lead (0+ / 0-)

        and the dude with the "9" is the candidate the second most similar to Romney.

        Six more months can lead to anything, but as of now Romney wins so easily in NH others may not even contest it, like leaving Iowa for Harkin to win.

        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/13/21516/201/804/660248

        by tommypaine on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 02:14:51 PM PDT

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        •  That poll isn't worth a cup of coffee (3+ / 0-)
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          UNH polled not long ago and came up with similar numbers, with Romney in the 30s and 2nd place at least 20 points back, maybe single-digits just like this latest poll.

          And yet that same UNH poll included a telling question, asking respondents if they'd made up their mind for a candidate, or were just leaning toward a candidate, or had no idea at all who they would vote for.  And 87% said they had no idea, not even offering they leaned toward someone.  So most of those Romney "supporters" in the same poll's trial heat had zero commitment to him, not even a "lean."

          I wish this latest poll had a question like that, I bet it would have similar results.  Romney's 41% in this poll is a mile wide and an inch deep.  That doesn't mean it can't hold, but it's got zero foundation to keep it in place.

          43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 07:47:33 PM PDT

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          •  It's foundation is the other candidates suck (0+ / 0-)

            and have next to no chance to improve, not to the NH electorate.

            The poll is worth everything, and that everything is simple... Romney is the default choice.  It then makes zero difference if his support is strong, because none of his opponents generate passionate supporters.

            Again, add Ryan or DeMint, and suddenly there are candidates who have passion (both ways).

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/13/21516/201/804/660248

            by tommypaine on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 12:42:38 AM PDT

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    •  Then we win (4+ / 0-)
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      If Bachmann is on the other side, we win. People may fault Obama for 'not being left enough', but put a centrist with a record of real acoomplishment up against an extremist like Bachmann and Obama will win.

    •  It comes down to what "serious money" means (2+ / 0-)
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      If she can raise $20 million, she can win Iowa and SC.  But she probably can't last and Romney wins it because he can.

      But if she can raise $50 million, or more, than she can stay toe-to-toe with Romney and it's a marathon.

      Bachmann's viability now comes down to her Q2 and then Q3 fundraising reports.

      43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

      by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:11:28 PM PDT

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      •  We'll have to see how well... (1+ / 0-)
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        She can coalesce the AFP/CFG/Koch forces behind her.

        •  She won't get those groups until post-Labor Day (2+ / 0-)
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          Bachmann will have to show Presidential-level fundraising prowess on her own, and win the Iowa straw poll, and also show well in any debates during the next couple months (I don't even know the debate schedule).  If she does those things, and no one new jumps into the race by Labor Day, then the 3rd-party groups will start taking a hard look at her.  No doubt all the hard right institutions hate Romney.  They already hate it that they got stuck with a nominee they disliked last time.  They don't want it twice in a row.  So the temptation to go with Bachmann will be great.

          And yet, she's a loose cannon who no one likes or trusts.  Don't forget, this is a crazy lady with high staff turnover, people routinely quitting her office in a recession without having another job lined up.  There's a lot of dirt on her that the establishment insiders all know about, but we in the public don't...yet.  They're really not going to be happy to get behind her, it will be a tough thing to swallow to back her for her politics when they know she could prove a disaster real fast if she's the nominee.

          43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:26:32 PM PDT

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      •  of course she can raise it. (5+ / 0-)
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        She raised $13M for her House race last cycle.  She had $2.8M CoH as of the end of March.  She will do very well with small-dollar donors and direct mail.

        •  You can't assume that (4+ / 0-)

          Yes she can raise the $20 mil.  I don't doubt that.

          But she easily could have a low ceiling like Ron Paul, where the low-hanging fruit is all she can reach and then she's broke after that.

          Getting to $50 mil and beyond is a whole different ballgame.  It's not necessarily true that she can expand her donor base that much because it's already a national base, that's how she raised over $13M before.  Paul raised $28 million last time, and I don't doubt Bachmann can reach the same ballpark.

          But that's not enough to win the nomination.

          Beating Romney means raising 9 figures:  $100 million or more.  That's because you gotta last through Super Tuesday with major TV buys in dozens of states.

          43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:31:24 PM PDT

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      •  Money won't matter (0+ / 0-)

        much.  If Bachman wins Iowa and New Hampshire she will be up 10 to 15 nationally, and Romney will be realing.

        The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

        by fladem on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 02:51:06 PM PDT

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        •  The thing is, though (0+ / 0-)

          There's no way Bachmann wins NH. They have an open primary and the democratic nomination will be uncontested. Secular independent sin NH are terrified of her.

          •  Your bottom line is right, although... (0+ / 0-)

            ...what back-of-the-envelope math I've done on the subject suggests the Dem side being uncontested has very little effect on the GOP side, and vice-versa.  Dem-leaning indies and true indies tend not to show up in open primaries, it's almost all people who would vote GOP anyway in November who show up for the primary.

            That said, yeah even the GOP regulars in NH won't give Bachmann a win.

            Bachmann can win Iowa and SC, and then Florida is the wildcard.  The winner there probably is in the driver's seat if they have enough money for all the rest.

            43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

            by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 07:35:24 PM PDT

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      •  $50 million over two quarters, or six months? (0+ / 0-)

        Depending on how many small donors she can get in a cost effective way, it wouldn't surprise me to see it done.

        •  Not that easy (0+ / 0-)

          What I don't know about Bachmann is whether she's willing to put in the hundreds of hours of monotonous call time.  If she'll do that, she'll raise it.  If not, she won't.  Of course she still might not raise it if she's too toxic in the business world, which is entirely possible since, as I said in other comments, she's a well-known loon with no political allies beyond fellow crazed lunatic Steve King.

          43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 08:43:44 PM PDT

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    •  She might be able to rein in the crazy ... (3+ / 0-)
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      ... but she can't undo all the evidence on video.

      "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

      by JBL55 on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:48:20 PM PDT

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    •  Whether she wins the Nomination or not.... (0+ / 0-)

      I do not think she minds losing her House seat, then she can go the Palin route and make money off speaking and Fox News.   Why bother with the actual 'governing', not that any Repuglican Congresscritters bother with that anyway.

      If ignorance is bliss, then why are Republicans always so mad?

      by magicman3315 on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:49:40 PM PDT

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    •  You can't predict (1+ / 0-)
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      SC without NH.

      What happens in one primary will have an enourmous impact on the next one.  

      She is not a southerner - and I don't think she is a slam dunk in SC.

      The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

      by fladem on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 02:49:16 PM PDT

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      •  If she wins Iowa, she'll win SC (1+ / 0-)
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        Romney isn't going to get any kind of bump in SC from winning NH.  If Romney wins Iowa, game over, he's the nominee and wins probably everywhere.  But if Bachmann wins Iowa, she probably wins SC even if Romney romps in NH.  Then Florida is the rubber match (since Nevada is being ignored).

        Doesn't matter that she's not a Southerner, she's a ruby red across-the-board conservative, in her heart and head (as it is), and that will show and win the day down there.

        Now, all this assumes Perry doesn't get in.  But right now the reporting all suggests he's leaning toward jumping in.  He would be Bachmann's worst enemy, and also a more credible long-term threat to Romney.

        43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 07:51:28 PM PDT

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    •  Would Romney really run in second place? (0+ / 0-)

      Also... Biden is getting on in years. Will he be on our ticket? I love Biden, so I hope so... just wondering what others think.  OK, I looked it up: he was born in 1942 {self: so, he's not old, that's only 5 years before me!} so... ack! He'll be 70, which is not beyond the pale for a veep, I guess.

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      by pixxer on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 07:06:24 PM PDT

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  •  euphemistic batsh*t defined or is that unAmerican? (6+ / 0-)
    U.S. Representative Michele Bachmann, a Minnesota Republican known for her uncompromising views and firebrand style, said she plans to run for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

    I am off my metas! Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above join the DAILY KOS UNIVERSITY "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03)

    by annieli on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:54:38 PM PDT

  •  Done with Michele Bachmann once and for all? (4+ / 0-)
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    She'll always have FauxNews.

    We agree our hair is on fire, we disagree with Paul Ryan's plan to use a sledgehammer to put out the fire

    by JML9999 on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:54:39 PM PDT

  •  She Says The Voices In Her Head Is Voice Of God (9+ / 0-)

    A little lithium can fix that Michelle

    It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it.

    by bernardpliers on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:55:02 PM PDT

  •  No way we're done with her. (9+ / 0-)

    If Fox doesn't pick her up as a Beck replacement, there are hundreds of neo-fascist "think tanks" that will make her a "scholar" (thereby making meaningless yet another once useful word).

    Conservatism explained: Carrots for the rich and the corporate. Sticks for the workers and the poor. It really is that simple.

    by DaveW on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:55:05 PM PDT

  •  Her district will stay. (2+ / 0-)
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    GOP has a lock on both houses of the legislature.  They might even craft a little law change to help her ease back into her seat.

    RECOUNT. Recall - We did it!! VOTE against the frauds, then VOTE TO TAKE WISCONSIN BACK!!! Rescind. Rebuild. Now with more voting, thanks to republican dirty tricks.

    by stcroix cheesehead on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:56:19 PM PDT

    •  Uh, no, Dayton vetoed, leg can't help her. (4+ / 0-)
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      She might be fine simply because geographic reality ends up keeping her district a safe GOP seat.  But Dayton already vetoed the maps in May, the legislature can't protect her.  I'll be shocked if any agreement is reached, best bet is court-drawn.

      43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

      by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:16:22 PM PDT

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  •  Ah, David. I love your sunny optimism. (2+ / 0-)
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    Hell, if you're bored enough to hang out here, might as well check out my site.

    by Crashing Vor on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:58:08 PM PDT

  •  Don't know if you caught it last night or not... (1+ / 0-)
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    but she's birthed five little Bachmanns and foster-parented 23 kids.  Just thought I'd bring that up in case anyone missed it in her auto-hagiography/pro-life rants.

    A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

    by jo fish on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:59:15 PM PDT

  •  In the meantime, the US (6+ / 0-)

    may become the laughing stock of the world.

  •  I hope so she is evil like the remainder of (1+ / 0-)
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    the RW mafiosos running for office to sell us out for the continuing leveraged buy out of us.  

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:59:40 PM PDT

  •  Could, ah, someone teach Bachmann to speak (0+ / 0-)

    English?  I saw her on GMA this morning.  "I filed today my paperwork...bla bla bla."

    A normal English-speaking person would have said, "Today I filed my paperwork for the office of the President of the United States."

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:00:47 PM PDT

  •  We are going to look back in 2012 (1+ / 0-)
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    people like me, anyway - and we are going to laugh ourselves SICK at this shitty GOP selection of 'presidential wannabes".

    If she's championing the fucking teabaggers, YOU KNOW she's got shit for brains.

    Don't rec my comment. It is true, but it has bad words in it and Daily Kos  are better than this.

  •  Well (10+ / 0-)

    if she wins the GOP nomination, the Democratic Party pretty much better go out and treat her like she's the second coming of Ronald Reagan from day one and politically bury her.

    The smart thing is to assume that there is no Republican that the combo of the Village, the Rove/Atwater Ratfuckers, and now Citizen's United can't give an artificial leg up to with unemployment as bad as it is.

    I spent a year of my life listening to people laugh their asses off over dry drunk wingnut bible thumper George W. Bush. And then was stuck with the bastard for eight years because the media mugged Al Gore like he was this awful dishonorable weaselly person, and W. was this great and honorable reasonable man who would restore honor to the White House.

    The media will collude with the GOP to make her a more mainstream and reasonable candidate, and the same media that demanded that Obama focus on deficit reduction over spending more to stimulate the economy will now turn on a dime and be mugging him, non-stop every step of the way, for the lack of jobs out there.
    •  More like the second coming (0+ / 0-)

      of Gozer the Destructor.

      RECOUNT. Recall - We did it!! VOTE against the frauds, then VOTE TO TAKE WISCONSIN BACK!!! Rescind. Rebuild. Now with more voting, thanks to republican dirty tricks.

      by stcroix cheesehead on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:06:33 PM PDT

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    •  I wrote a LTE (1+ / 0-)
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      This morning because that is the GOP's marketing game plan, blame Pres. Obama for the horrid condition that W. left OUR COUNTRY in, obstruct all attempts to fix the issues, focus on abortion/gay marriage/tax cuts to make the rich richer  and tell America that only the GOP can fix it... and you are right, the media will fall for their trash talk to the end.

  •  unfortunately it would violate election law BUT (1+ / 0-)
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    if there is a campaign I'd love HBO to do a 24/7 on (with Liev Schreiber narration etc) - it'd be this one.

  •  The day any of teh krayzee take office (0+ / 0-)

    I go full on urban anarchist - join lulz, pay w/bitcoin, drop off the grid.

  •  That other ditz...the one from Alaska (0+ / 0-)

    I think she's got a real chance and she'd beat Obama hands down in a race.

    She talks English good enough for most muricans.

    (Trying to sound like smugger than thou hyper-anxious liberals who like to play this little game, though I don't really have my panties in a wad. I don't even cross-dress, actually.)

  •  Another hot babe (1+ / 0-)
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    Like 'em, hate 'em.

    They have a bunch of hot babes.

    OOPS...sorry, that's inappropriate.

    -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

    by r2did2 on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:05:28 PM PDT

  •  Just the other day... (0+ / 0-)

    I was thinking, boy -- there are enough crazy choices in the GOP field.

    I mean, for the discerning recidivist - you really want at least half a dozen whack jobs to choose from lest the liberal media drive one or two away by doing such nefarious things as quoting them exactly or rolling clips of what they've said in the past.

    Full Disclosure: I am an unpaid shill for every paranoid delusion that lurks under your bed - but more than willing to cash any checks sent my way

    by zonk on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:10:28 PM PDT

  •  Hmmm... (1+ / 0-)
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    that looks close enough to a green screen for me to have some PaintShopPro fun with when I get home from work tonight. Train emerging from a tunnel perhaps?

    "Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can transform the world." — Howard Zinn

    by blueyedace2 on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:12:33 PM PDT

  •  If you liked Sarah Palin, (2+ / 0-)
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    you'll LOVE Michelle.

    Now! Even airheadier!

    Don't let millionaires steal Social Security.

    by Leo in NJ on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:12:45 PM PDT

    •  the improvement over Palin would be the (1+ / 0-)
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      ultra-lush, black false eyelashes she wears. She wore them on election night in 2010, and she hasn't looked back since.

      "Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan - 1980

      by livjack on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 03:12:25 PM PDT

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  •  Defined. (0+ / 0-)
    [...]so if we're really lucky, we'll be done with Michele Bachmann once and for all come next year.

    Yeah.  Such a relief.

    Y' know.  Because Michelle Bachmann is such a powerful political force.

    Through history, adversaries have often ended up defining one another.  Greatness is achieved in context.

    Let's see.  Athens had Sparta.  Holmes had Moriarty.  Ali had Frazier.

    dkos frontpagers have Michelle Bachmann.

    Please don't feed the Security State.

    •  Sigh. Woe is me. If only (0+ / 0-)

      Michelle Bachmann would just go away, stop dominating our political discourse, and stop commanding so many front page inches here at dkos.

      I suppose when the alternative might be spending some uncomfortable moments trying to distinguishing Barack Obama from a Reagan Revolution stooge, you take anything.  

      Anything to fill that vacuum, anything, now matter how paltry and sad, to occupy the space where politics could/should be happening.

      It's working so well.

      I know!  I know!

      How about that Sara Palin.

      Please don't feed the security state.

  •  what a dumb ass, she said "consult w/my (1+ / 0-)
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    "Commander in Chief's" last night..

    she just makes it up as she goes along...

    boy, this country has certainly gone down hill

    Cubbies vs Rays in 2011 World Series! This is the YEAR for Cub's fans!!!

    by surfdog on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:16:27 PM PDT

  •  More significantly, Huntsman just announced (3+ / 0-)
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    he's running.

    Conservatism explained: Carrots for the rich and the corporate. Sticks for the workers and the poor. It really is that simple.

    by DaveW on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:17:35 PM PDT

    •  That one guy in Iowa (5+ / 0-)

      will be happy.

      As I tweeted earlier today one Iowa Republican on the poll we will release tomorrow said they would vote for Jon Huntsman if the election was today- not 1% but one respondent, period.

      http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/...

      •  That may be, but he's probably (0+ / 0-)

        the only credible competition for Mitt. Assuming the oxymoron of "moderate Republican" is still kicking. Or maybe the 2 Mormons will knock each other out. In any case, I think this changes the equation more than Bachmann's unsurprising move.

        Conservatism explained: Carrots for the rich and the corporate. Sticks for the workers and the poor. It really is that simple.

        by DaveW on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 02:03:29 PM PDT

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        •  A Rick Perry entry (2+ / 0-)
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          is probably Mitt's biggest risk, in my opinion.

          •  Why? (0+ / 0-)

            They already have Bachmann, Cain, and Pizzaface. Seems to me Perry would be more likely to split the moron vote than cut into Romney's.

            Conservatism explained: Carrots for the rich and the corporate. Sticks for the workers and the poor. It really is that simple.

            by DaveW on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 02:45:07 PM PDT

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            •  Romney doesn't have much a vote (1+ / 0-)
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              so far. He's polling in the 20s. This contest is essentially wide open.

              Perry would be a formidable fundraiser, having access to the Texas money machine. He's respected on the right for his economic and social issue portfolio. He's also a fighter on the campaign trail. Rush Limbaugh's practically begging him to run.

              I'm not taking Cain seriously at this point, given that he has no experience in elected office. And T-Paw is coming across as a bit of wimp. Gingrich is done.

            •  Perry is a mainstream guy (1+ / 0-)
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              Romney loses out to the entry of Perry, Christie, Ryan or DeMint.  All of those guys a important, real politicians, not gadflies.

              Romney doesn't want any sitting Senator or Governor to run.

              http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/13/21516/201/804/660248

              by tommypaine on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 04:13:40 PM PDT

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              •  I agree... (1+ / 0-)
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                And I'm frankly unsure why the meme here is that Gov. Perry would be an alternative to Rep. Bachmann. Is the guy a daft right-winger? Yeah. Is he a Southerner? As much as a Texan can be, sure. But he's also a two-and-a-quarter-term governor of the second-largest state in the country. It says something that the mass staff defection from Gingrich, a creature of the Beltway if there ever was one, was widely seen as tea leaves for a Perry run.

                Perry may hurt Bachmann as well. He's quite conservative and he's unafraid to toss out red meat to fire up the base. But he's an establishment guy even if he's not a Washington guy. He's built a political network in Texas with tendrils reaching all the way to Washington and New York over the past decade and a half. I think he has the potential to turn this into a three- or four-horse race (it remains to be seen how hard Rep. Paul's support will prove to me no matter how much he's seen as a clown on the national stage), but I definitely don't see him usurping Bachmann as the Tea Party darling. Remember Debra Medina and the buzz she got for challenging Perry as a Palin/Bachmann-style Tea Partier.

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                by SaoMagnifico on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 04:35:17 PM PDT

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                •  He's way more than a (1+ / 0-)
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                  MichaelNY

                  "daft right-winger". He's on record calling for Texas to secede from the Union, among his other loony pronouncements. Plus he's polling very badly in Texas.

                  OTOH, if I thought he'd take TX our of the USA as president, I might be tempted....

                  Conservatism explained: Carrots for the rich and the corporate. Sticks for the workers and the poor. It really is that simple.

                  by DaveW on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 04:59:10 PM PDT

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                  •  That's a criticism (1+ / 0-)
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                    that would have resilience in a general election, not a primary.

                    I just came across this description of Perry from Nate Silver. I think it's well said.

                    Mr. Perry’s strengths are that of a traditional candidate. He’s the four-term governor of the nation’s second-largest state, he has reasonably high name recognition, he should have no problem raising money, and he has the potential to be competitive in Iowa, South Carolina, Florida and the many Southern states that vote on Super Tuesday.

                    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/...

                •  Bachman is a protest candidate (0+ / 0-)

                  This disinformation about her chances is just talk.  She has virtually no chance.  Perry cuts right to the heart of Romney's support.

                  Perry is more trustably conservative than Romney, a Gov of a state that has not collapsed into anarchy during his tenure, and he is (relatively) passionate.  Romney's lukewarm water appeal trembles at Perry, whereas Bachman is indifferent.  She only cares about Palin.

                  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/13/21516/201/804/660248

                  by tommypaine on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 12:48:07 AM PDT

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        •  Not credible, Huntsman is Diet Romney (2+ / 0-)
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          Huntsman won't register.  He's a media creation, he'll get nowhere with voters.  He's got all the same problems as Romney, but none of his advantages.

          43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 07:57:12 PM PDT

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        •  He's credible competition for no-one (0+ / 0-)

          No Republican who worked for the Obama Administration has any chance of winning the nomination in 2012.

          Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

          by MichaelNY on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 11:55:07 PM PDT

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  •  Sorry,we'll NEVER be done with Bachman! (5+ / 0-)

    Even if she holds no elected office, there will always be a right wing noise machine.  She'll get a Fox gig, or get hired by CNN so they can show how unbiased/inclusive they are of wingnut opinions.  

  •  From your keyboard.... (0+ / 0-)
    She could also see her seat eviscerated in redistricting before she has the chance to make up her mind, so if we're really lucky, we'll be done with Michele Bachmann once and for all come next year.

    ....one can hope....

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  •  Romney is awfully confident he will win (2+ / 0-)
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    link.

    Bachmann seems to have gotten a lot of good press in the debate. But she has two big challenges, she has to win IA and SC and also hope that translate into votes in some of the big states like NY, CA and IL.

  •  She'll get a show on Fox News if she loses the nom (0+ / 0-)

    Guarantee it. Like dry rot, we won't be rid of Michele Bachmann any time soon.

    Recall Rick Snyder!
    "Be excellent to each other. And party on, dudes."

    by terra on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:36:42 PM PDT

  •  Michele for VP? (0+ / 0-)

    What if Romney -- the presumptive candidate -- picks her as his running mate to lock up the Teabagger contingent? The RNC may think they get the best of both ends of the conservative spectrum. But can you imagine the VP debate? Poor Joe (assuming Joe sticks around for term 2). First Palin, then Bachmann.

  •  She is a solid #2.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...but in the end only #1 matters and I thin Romney has it sewn up.  But like I said, only #1 matters and Romney will lose 55-45 to Obama because he's too close to the parody of a vapid politician.

    It's better to curse the darkness than light a candle. --Whoever invented blogs, c.1996

    by Rich in PA on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:41:53 PM PDT

  •  The Jesus Earl Grey Party (1+ / 0-)
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    should not be misunderestimated.  May Bachmann live with the body of Christ and prosper.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:44:10 PM PDT

  •  Pundits can say all they want, Michelle Bachman (2+ / 0-)
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    askew, DCCyclone

    won the debate not Romney

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 01:49:12 PM PDT

  •  Caption (0+ / 0-)

    Am I batshit crazy, stupid, or both? Who knows?

  •  That screenshot at the top... (3+ / 0-)
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    is from her appearance at the 2008 Repub convention, right?  I remember watching her give her speech and pausing for applause or other crowd reaction after she'd say a few words...smiling and looking around at the audience...and how there was silence from them for the most part.  

  •  Her chances are better than one might think (2+ / 0-)
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    gabjoh, MichaelNY

    You have to consider that no one really has a lock on support now. Romney has problems with conservatives because of his flip flopping and Bachmann is right in line with everything they support. When Huckabee declined, his potential support has to go somewhere and that's how Bachmann gets out of Iowa a winner.

    25, Male, CA-24, DK Elections Black Caucus Chair.

    by DrPhillips on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 02:32:07 PM PDT

  •  Was it the long form FEC filing? (3+ / 0-)
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    gabjoh, Minnesota Mike, MichaelNY

    Did it have the raised Jesus Stamp notarization on it?  Has anyone checked that it has all the correct fonts?

    Note: All official FEC documents use Comic Sans as the default font.  

  •  If she did win the nomination... (2+ / 0-)
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    How many states would she likely win against Obama?  UT, WY, ID, MS, OK, AL, LA, maybe NE?  I can't think of any locks outside of maybe those.  And even those I mentioned might not be locks with Bachmann as the nominee.  I think there would be potential for a 40-45 state landslide.

    •  I wouldn't necessarily go that far (0+ / 0-)

      If it were just our usual crazy Michelle Bachmann, and the economy keeps on making a recovery (at a slightly faster rate than currently), I think she would get McCain minus AZ, MO, MT (and maybe WV or AR, and perhaps the addition of the Omaha electoral vote depending on how they switch up the district/their system).

      However, I think there's a really good chance she has skeletons in her closet, and if those come out in a big way, her only holds are the ones you have up there.

      •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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        SaoMagnifico, MichaelNY

        There are a lot of other states I could see Obama winning against Bachmann where he didn't win in 2008.  I think he'd likely win MO, MT, SD and ND, AZ.  All those states he lost by <9% to a solid republican in McCain.  Also, GA, SC, TX and maybe WV would be tossup at worst.  Aside from being a raving loon Bachmann just doesn't seem the type that would even appeal well in the south.  

  •  I'm Surprised (0+ / 0-)

    That no one has brought this issue up on this thread.  Bachman is not a ROM.  And for all the talk of TeaBaggers and her conservative cred, the ROM still control the Republican party and will determine who the Republican nominee will be.  And it will not be Bachman.  For the same reason that Herman Cain has no chance of getting the nomination, he also is not a ROM.  In case you have not guessed by now, ROM stands for Rich Old Man.  And Rich Old Men will not get behind a minority or a woman as the nominee.  Period.  End of story.

    So you all can discuss all the ends and outs, all the maybes and could have beens, Bachman will never receive the nomination.  

  •  Bachmann exudes strong decisive leadership (2+ / 0-)
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    I am a gay male and have always voted Democrat on national and statewide issues.  I mention this because I am not a Bachmann supporter in any way.  But, if any of you are old enough to remember back to 1980, when Ronald Reagan was running, many pundits saw him as a dim-witted and awful candidate.  Yet, the voters in the primaries and in the general saw someone who said what he meant and didn't waffle on all the issues.  Even when he said stuff like "trees cause pollution", no one cared.  Incumbent President Carter, a Democrat with a Democrat House and Senate looked weak and indecisive and couldn't get a lot done.  Many Democrats supported Reagan because they saw a leader in him, they weren't as concerned about the economic issues, even though the huge tax cuts Reagan passed for the wealthy came on the backs of the poor and middle class.  Bachmann will do well in the primaries.  She is much smarter than Palin, and more upbeat, like Reagan.  Reagan never whined and complained, played the victim, or felt constrained in anyway.  This can-do spirit in a President can get a lot of done, no matter who runs the Congress.  Reagan also went up against the establishment in 1976, just as Bachmann has been sort of a lone wolf, giving her own response to the state of the union address, but, if she starts doing well, the "establishment will all start running toward her as they did with Reagan.  The other Republicans running are constantly checking the latest polls before making any statements.  This is the kind of phoniness is very unappealing.  Bachmann will do well in this season's primaries.  

  •  She won the debate last night, IMHO (2+ / 0-)
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    gabjoh, askew

    She far exceeded expectations and that allows me to give the hat tip to her for winning.  She also managed to pretty sew up the end to any Palin candidacy (not that I thought Palin was ever going to run).  I think she even has a chance getting some of the Ron Paul supporters as she tilts further away from an interventionist foreign policy (she is clearly no neo-con since she initially opposed the Iraq surge in 2007).

    She's playing for the VP slot and if she holds her own and can stay in longer than Cain, then I think other than Huckabee, she has the inside track for VP if the nominee is Romney.  

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    MichaelNY

    I would not discount Bachmann's appeal with the dark-side followers of conservatism.  I could see her winning Iowa, causing a big rift within the GOP.  She has absolutely no chance of  being elected as President.  The US will not want to go back to the Republican Glory years of the 1920's.

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